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February 18, 2010 at 5:43 pm in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2431866

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You seem to have missed the fact that they were originally looking at, i believe, 2012…

Stop trying to shift the discussion to other “points” when people show you facts you don’t like that don’t fit with your worship of the F35.

The 2012 date was for first fighter delivery, not first squadron operational capacity. Australia, on it’s own, decided to delay the first delivery till 2014. This was an economic decision and had nothing to do with the ability of LM to deliver the fighters.

February 18, 2010 at 5:21 am in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2432004

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You have it backwards.

Because they had already had the F-18Fs in place, they were comfortable skipping the first order of three and waiting till a later buy of 14, A simple cost cutting measure.

February 18, 2010 at 4:42 am in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2432009

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They decided to skip on the test aircraft and go straight to the OT&E fighters. Two separate functions.

The Super Hornets were not bought (in Dec 2006) for a measly 2 year delay, but due to the knowledge that the F-111s would be retired before the F-35 squadrons would be ready.

February 18, 2010 at 4:27 am in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2432011

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I did some more digging…

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/id/dcp/html/air/AIR6000.html

AIR 6000 Phase 2A/2B is the acquisition phase for three operational squadrons, comprising of not fewer than 72 aircraft, to fulfill the functions of air dominance and strike currently provided by the ADF’s F/A 18A/B and F-111 aircraft.

As indicated in the 2009 Defence White Paper, an additional acquisition phase (Phase 2C) is intended to acquire a fourth squadron of JSF aircraft in conjunction with the withdrawal of the F/A‑18F Super Hornet to bring the total number of JSFs to around 100. This is expected to be programmed in subsequent DCPs.

So, the JSFs were supposed to start arriving in 2012 (phase 2A). Instead they will get them in 2014.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=atfnvVtm5vF0

Australia’s first batch of F-35s, the next-generation fighter plane, will be delivered in the U.S. in 2014 for initial training and testing, according to the statement. The first squadron should be ready for operations in 2018 and all three are planned to be in service in 2021.

February 18, 2010 at 4:21 am in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2432013

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Knowing that they could not get the JSF in 2010 was why they bought F-18Fs. They knew long ago that the F-35s would not come till the 2018-2020 timeframe (Phase 2C).

February 18, 2010 at 3:52 am in reply to: F-35 News and Discussion #2432019

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The Australian Gov signed up to be a SDD partner on the JSF in 2006.

According to this AIR 6000 Doc (page 32, June 2006 Doc), they did not plan on delivery till 2018 – 2020. How has this changed?

February 17, 2010 at 8:22 am in reply to: 4.99 generation fighter #2432213

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So you’re picking the single hardest and most complex item about a 5th gen fighter for “rapid development”?

February 17, 2010 at 6:04 am in reply to: 4.99 generation fighter #2432223

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The UK, Australia, Canada, Israel, and Singapore are already partners in the JSF. Why would they go spend more when the PAK FA is so unproven as a threat?

btw, There is no such thing as “rapid development” when it comes to fighters.

February 16, 2010 at 11:02 am in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2432336

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Spudman,

That’s very vague explanation…I don’t say its not necessary the best but I fear that there is more “mystics” than actual proofs. How can you be so sure ? Have you seen fists hand datas ? Or is it just a ganeral impression + some advertising ?

Vague about what and proof of what?

The problem with getting hard data on radar tech is that it is one of the closest secrets the US has.

What we can see is that the F-22 only has radar (dumb move IMHO), so to fight it HAS to use it’s radar, no IRST.

What we can derive is that in all the comments available, nobody has claimed to detect the emissions during the fight.

February 16, 2010 at 10:37 am in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2432341

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AIM-9X features vectored thrust/jet vane control. Although not yet cleared for the F-22, it’s only a matter of time, I don’t find this remark out of place.

The main problem with hers and your comments is that the F-22 does not have an HMS (nor is there a definite plan for one) and that the whole “no need to maneuver” thing was about the F-35 and EODAS, not the F-22.

February 16, 2010 at 10:34 am in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2432342

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Age does not determine the abilities of radar.

The APG81 has the most advanced T&R modules ever developed. The APG77 is getting those modules in an upgrade.

With it’s increased number of modules over the APG81, the APG77 has better A2A modes than the the ’81.

One of the largest sticking points of the F-35 program has been the perceived need for the “software codes”. One of the main reasons that the US does not want to give anyone access to the codes is that it does not want to give up the lead it has in radar processing tech. Case in point is that only the APG77 and APG81 claim LPI modes that do not give away it’s position.

February 16, 2010 at 9:58 am in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2432349

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The F-35 was never claimed to be anything but a VLO fighter from the people who bought and built it.

While it may not be on par with the F-22 in RCS performance, it is still classified as VLO.

I was not trying to say that items 2-5 were individual markers that define a 5th gen platform, but rather taking them as a whole, with #1, make a 5th gen bird.

February 16, 2010 at 9:17 am in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2432355

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I wonder if that guy works for APA also?

February 16, 2010 at 7:00 am in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2432367

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#5 was thrown in for good measure 😉

Yes, #1 is the defining feature (with #2 making #1 possible while still fully armed and fueled).

February 16, 2010 at 2:37 am in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2432379

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There are MUCH more important things in relation to 5th Gen than SC, IMHO.

1. VLO RCS airframe
2. Internal Weapons and LARGE amounts of internal fuel
3. Situational Awareness
4. Complete integration of all sensors, both onboard and off
5. Ease of maintenance and lower maintenance costs
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