If Rafael were smart then they would do what Turkey is doing.. create UAI drivers for Spice. Since they are getting their own “orange wire” F-35As, then they can do their own separation tests too.

IIRC UAI comes in either 4.1 or 4.2. We should get a hint in the next budget release.

Having them UAI also opens up the Export market to all F-15E+, latest F-16 30/32+ block, and future F-18E/F sales.

they are not Su-35/MIG-31BM producing between 66000 to 80000 engine thrust.

Which has absolutely ZERO to do with F-22/35 LPI and if it’s effective vs the Su-35 (you know, the discussion at hand).

How exactly would they disagree?

They are constantly handed their asses at Red Flag, etc by the F-22 which uses LPI for a vast majority of it’s AMRAAM shots.

LPI radar aside, you still have problem of generating fire solution by ESM.
At best, Su-35 can geolocate the single transmitting F-35 by RWR and triangulation between multiple Su-35. On the otherhand, F-35 groups will know about every single Su-35 by using radar and share datalink

To geolocate an emitter, the various ESMs would need to be sensing the same signal at the same time. AESA radars make this very difficult and LPI makes it even more so. Throw tactics into the mix (like each F-35 is scanning a small area of the sky) and two opposing ESM may never be targeted by the same F-35 and therefore would never be able to triangulate a solution.

The F-35 has a range of options to ID the Sukhoi, including

Aka the whole “F-35 has 3 times more ways to ID an aircraft vs even the F-22”.

Air Vice Marshal Osley : And so the strength of the joint strike fighter—and I use this as an example—is that it has the ability to have up to 650 parameters by which it will identify a potential threat out there. Other aircraft, such as the F22 have about a third of that

wouldnt su-30 in turn be able to ID f-35 if -35 are radar active ? on top of locating it that is
and why would EOTS have a longer range at which it can ID su-30 then the other way around ?

Because you seem to ignore the whole LPI thing. That and the whole sensor fusion thing.

Fully fused sensors means more than simply combining tracks on a single display. It’s about taking partial data from each sensor, analyzing it, and then determining if & what you are seeing.

The Rafale cant feed images into a helmet like DAVE does, by using a pair of “fish eyes” the French got a huge coverage with just two sensors, but those images are hugely distorted, wich is entirely irrelevant for the job (detecting heat) they do, but are useless to feed into a pilot eyes (the poor chap would feel like he was on drugs).

I was aware of that was was just stating which fighters had IIR based MAWS and not which MAWS could provide video imagery.

Software can easily remove any distortion from a fisheye lens if & when they decide to display a video image.

I´ll get me coat

Would that be a “yeti” coat? :eagerness:

spudman: matrix was a good movie but the only one repeating YATO is You

Since your memory seems to be waning in your old age, I’ll provide sources for each of these.

These are features of EODAS that MAWS does not do:
1. Provide YATO (You Are The One) functionality which tells the F-35 if the threat is headed for him or not. Info in below video and the last “Features Video” at the end of the post

2. Track all airborne objects (SAMs, AAM, planes, drones, AAA) within the WVR environment (lots of info in the “Featurs Video” at the end of the post)
3. Allow for the guidance of HOBS missiles

4. Act as a replacement for NVGs in order to see around the aircraft in low light conditions.

Do I really need to explain this one?
@3:50 in Features Video below (last video in the post)

5. Organic BDA, regardless of the angle of the plane (@7:25 in the video)

6. Visual queuing of detected objects from GMTI and SAR maps

@4:37 in Features Video below (last video in the post)

7. Fully fused into the battlespace

—EODAS gets with a software update (ie it’s been demonstrated but not part of Block 3F)
1. TBM tracking to include GeoLocation of the launcher (“Launch point detection” from EODAS Website). TBM detection also mentioned in “Features Video” at the end of this post.

2. Detection of ground fires (with Geolocation) to include MGs, RPGs, Arty, MLRS, etc

Here is a Features Video:

Wow..

It took me less time to Google a quote about YATO than it took for you to put your foot in your mouth.