How about confiscation of assets for all “life” prisoners to pay for their upkeep?

If they don’t have sufficient assets why not bill their next of kin?

I think your first suggestion is certainly worthy of serious consideration, but surely the second part amounts to punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty?

I admire the sentiments but how often does that actually happen?

It doesn’t happen at all at present, but I certainly think that it ought to.

Would you apply that sentiment in the case of a parent,driven mad by their child’s suffering,who seeks to end that suffering by what they see as a loving release ?

That’s a far more difficult question. I suppose that the answer would be to either adopt a system of ‘degrees of murder’, or to make specific legal provision for euthanasia – which opens up a whole new debate.

The OP stated that there was absolutely no doubt. Thus, no chink of light for an appeal.

He didn’t. Go back and read post #1 again.

Confessions are no good at all, that could very well be “Suicide by Police”, which has happened a few times before. And of course, some confessions are “Unsafe”….

On this, at least, we are in agreement

G.A. I have made my points in the question as posted originaly.
You are entitled to your opinion, the same as I and anyone else. I am not ducking your points, as mine answeres yours,And don’t forget that those convicted are done so by 12 of their Peers, and on the directive of a Judge.
Given the evidence as presentented.I also refer my Honourable Friend to the 1974 case which has just come to light.

Fair enough.

So, cards on the table time.

How many innocent people would have to die through miscarriages of justice before you decided that the price of restoring capital punishment was too high?

5? 10? 50? 500?

We both know that it would happen, because human beings are fallible.

So how many innocent lives would you be prepared to waste?

You decide.

Thanks for the input G.A. you have just won me a Tennner, as I bet a friend that you would be against it,;)

Oh, my sides.

My sides.

Care to address any of the points I made now, instead of ducking them with a feeble attempt at humour?

This was the funniest thing I’ve seen all week, let alone today 😀

Then you appear to need help of some kind.

…. Providing the Criminal, has A) Admitted his crime..B) All evidence is conclusive BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT..C) D.N.A. has proved conclusivly, that the criminal was at the scene, and his DNA was on the weapon used and on the victim….

Not good enough.

Where a human life is at stake, there must be no doubt whatsoever.

You may be happy to take a risk with the life of another human being, but many of us are not.

The mandatory punishment for murder should be life imprisonment – meaning imprisonment for life.

Someone who has taken it upon themselves to waste the life of another should be forced to endure the experience of having their own life wasted.

Day by dull grey meaningless day, with the certain knowledge that today will be exactly the same as yesterday and that tomorrow will be the same. Same cell, same clothes, same routine, same food.

For the rest of their life.

With the added advantage that, if it should turn out that a miscarriage of justice has taken place, the prisoner can be compensated generously and sent on their way with handshakes all round.

Try doing that with a corpse or a cremation urn.

And don’t come back with the old chestnut about cost.

Justice, like so much else, costs money. If you want to live in a just society, you have to be prepared to foot the bill for it.

You’ve been watching too much BBC.

You’ll have to elaborate on that one, because I don’t see the connection.

Are you referring to Doctor Who, or Strictly Come Dancing?

East Enders, perhaps? :confused:

Which I’ve always found very, very odd. O’Leary’s clearly not familiar with the concept of negative publicity!

As another Irishman, the writer Brendan Behan, once said “There is no such thing as bad publicity….. except your own obituary.”

Maybe O’Leary is better read than it might appear. 🙂

Phil Lines must be 75? Cheerful? Are we talking about the same bloke?
What are the names of the Deaf lads?

Oh, we’re talking about the same bloke, all right. There’s only one P S Lines Esq.

I was being a tad sarcastic. 😀

I have to admit, to my shame, that I never actually knew the names of the deaf lads.