Ik heb vrij hem vergeten.

Is someone keeping the memory of squiggle alive?

Sorry – who was that again???? 😀

Terrible and tragic events, without doubt.

What, exactly, do you think we can do about it, Kfadrat?

That Beirut layout is picturing 747s…. what gives?

Hey, you’re right! Maybe the A380 isn’t real after all……

Or maybe the CAD software used to produce the plan doesn’t have a graphic for the A380?

All I did was follow Seahawk’s remarks to their logical conclusion.

Then all that about “no right of self determination, denying them the rights under which numerous nation states on this planet have come into being, and condeming them to perpetual depedence on the fleeting will of the likes of Europe and the Muslim World” actually came from your imagination, rather than from anything that seahawk actually said?

At no point doing my long years in this place have ever suggested anything to deny Palestinians their right to an indepedent state within the borders of mandatory Palestine nor the equality of Arab-Israelis within Israel.

Excellent! 🙂

Your basic mistake is the belief that Zionism has a “notion of exclusivity”.

I think otherwise, but it’s clear that we’d best agree to disagree on this, as I can sense a circular argument coming on……..

BTW – I commend you heartily on your ability to discuss these highly-emotive issues without hurling charges of “anti-semitism” at those whose opinions differ from yours. I wish it were so on some other forums that I frequent……….. 😎

I cannot find all of the bad things you accused seahawk of suggesting in the passage you quoted. Perhaps you’re looking for them harder than I am?

My understanding is that there is a distinction between Judaism and Israel.

If the state of Israel were an exclusive nation in which all of the Jewish faith was gathered, to the exclusion of all others, then your line of reasoning would have more strength.

However, not all those who are of the Jewish faith choose to live in Israel, and not all those who live in Israel are of the Jewish faith.

Were the tribes of Israel the only peoples living in present-day Israel in biblical times? In a rare show of solidarity, both the Bible and the science of archaeology tell us otherwise.

Now, this in no way reduces the right of Israel to exist free from harm and molestation, but it does call into question the notion of exclusivity that Zionism holds so dear.

You refer to Palestine as “their (the Jews) ancestral homeland”. Please tell us where the Palestinians ancestors came from.