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  • in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2092075
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    And I feared that this great thread would be dead already:-))

    Not yet, my friend šŸ˜‰

    Back to the Far East.
    A couple of concepts for a future Japanese DDG:

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/DDGX_2.jpg

    … and the aproach of some jap enthusiast:

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/DDGX-1.jpg

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/DDGX-2.jpg

    Cheers

    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2092077
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    One last word: the BIP is an almost twin of the Spanish BPE (or is that the contrary ?). Had the BIP indeed been built, maybe Australia would have bought it…

    Yeah, they are very similar concepts, but BPE is 50 % bigger and may be Australia was more interested in the capabilities of a larger ship than in the presence of a ski-jump itself, thought it will be an useful addition…

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2092390
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    Great additions, Merlock.

    I knew the first one but not the second, an interesting half way between Foudre and Mistral…

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    in reply to: BSAC 220 wishes Happy New Year 2008 #2094550
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    Good work, Shiplover.
    May be one day Navantia will declassify the blueprints of its BSAC designs (those that, says the legend, China tried to copy šŸ˜‰ ).
    Till then, great to have your drawings…

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2097004
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    Hi Enrr. I knew that impressive “project” but, are you sure that is a real one?

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2097122
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    That ā€œD-71 Lepantoā€ is fan art. I saw it first time in a Spanish naval enthusiast site three or four year ago. The aft Mk-45 seems a bit troublesome for high weights…;)
    A more logical F-100 enlargement is this other with double hangar, a third illuminator and a couple of Mk-41 modules aft…but fan art, after all :rolleyes:

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/SUPER_F-100_4.jpg

    It’s sure that Navantia has enlarged versions of the F-100 more or less developed, like the contender for the Evolved Design of the Australian AWD (7.000 + tons) but they haven’t been publicised by the shipyard.

    MConrads, it’s great that KDX-II with SPY-1F šŸ™‚

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2097426
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    Looking for some info on ā€œAPAR KDX-IIIā€ I find some interesting images from other Far East Navy.
    The ā€œChen Yiā€ FFG or DDG project from ROCN (Taiwan). An alternative to OHP?

    http://taiwanbbs.org/main/uploads/chen_yi_project5_7425.jpg

    http://taiwanbbs.org/main/uploads/chen_yi_project4_375.jpg

    http://taiwanbbs.org/main/uploads/chen_yi_project3_6145.jpg

    http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/bryan1760/Chen_Yi_Project6.jpg

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2097429
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    Sorry MConrads šŸ™ I have that image in my PC from, at least two or three years without any other reference. The design is, obviously, based on that of KDX-II surely enlarged but, how much?

    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2097684
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    So who has some hidden treasures on his HD next??

    What about a trip to the Far East?

    These are former iterations of the Korean KDX-III ā€œDeath Starā€. The most interesting that with APAR + SMART-L:

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/KDX-3PREV-0.jpg
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/KDX-3PREV-1.jpg
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/KDX-3APAR.jpg

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2098020
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    I also found this picture that has to originate from a Thales advertisement. Does someone know wether Thales offered APAR/SeaPAR for the Polish Meko A100 Gawron project (Slazak class)? Does someone have the hole ad?

    Regards.

    This article (in Polish…) seems to make reference to Thales SeAPAR like the main radar in Gawron corvettes. Look at the specification table at the botton.

    http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/0902006/korvete.asp

    The image also make reference to the SeAPAR, although is obvious that the set showed is a more conventional one…

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/korveta_GAWRON.jpg

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2098044
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    Ok Soviet never-wheres part II:

    Wow! Impressive set of designs, specially those “a la Albany” CG’s…

    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2098046
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    … and three years later born BPE/SPS like an evolution of LHD proposal. In fact, with different names, LHD has been offered by Izar/Navantia from those years up to now.
    More images:
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/IZAR_LHD_5.jpg
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/IZAR_LHD_4.jpg

    About LSL, it happens like BSAC CV’s a lot of speculation and nearly any info available šŸ™

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2098635
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    Well, and AAW escort based upon SeaSparrow seems a bit scarce. The first one, at least has a decent radar set (LW-08+SMART), but the second one with only TAS MK-23 hardly would be considered AAW oriented. The second one seems also smaller than the other Standard/F122 iterations.

    I found in my PC a couple of images corresponding with the interesting Merwede Falcon designs you posted before:
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/NEVESBU-FALCON-2000.jpg

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/NEVESBU_FALCON.jpg

    Does someone know wether Thales offered APAR/SeaPAR for the Polish Meko A100 Gawron project (Slazak class)?

    The junction of light frigates/corvettes with some kind of MFR is a continuous obsession from some years to now (AFCON, Gowind, ā€œEnhanced LCS’sā€, that A100 with SeAPAR…) but up to the moment the unique vessels I can remember sailing in this category is the Singaporean Formidables, and they are half the way between corvettes and ā€œbig frigatesā€. The next new boy in town will be the NL-OPV’s (but approaching 4.000 t…).
    Āæwould the Thales-NL integrated mast put MFR into the shopping cart of corvettes or may be CEC and other improvements let MFR on the bigger brothers with the smaller ships slaved to them using less expensive sets?

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2098829
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    This is system is new to me? Was it a mortar, like ELMA or Hedgehog?

    LCAWS was a NATO requirement of the 80’s/90’s for an affordable weapon system capable of confirm a submarine contact. In other words, the ship has a contact that may be or may be not a real SSK. One torpedo could be launched but modern torpedoes are scare and very expensive (even more than a SSM), and, after all, the contact can be false…
    The idea was to launch a ā€œcheapā€ round dangerous enough for make a real submarine runs away. If that was the case then a torpedo would be launched.
    One of the proposals was the German/Norway Seapike, a little torpedo boosted by a rocket (more or less a ā€œmini-ASROCā€). The torpedo could be the Italian Whitehead A200, of 130-140 mm and 1 nm range at 17-18 kn (remember that the victim would be usually an SSK laying at the sea bottom or moving slowly in coastal waters). The rocket itself would have a range of 5-6.000 m.
    I think that this is the weapon showed usually in the AFCON Corvette’s images.

    But there were other proposals for LCAWS like the Spanish ABCAS, a kind of ā€œmodern Hedgehogā€ with a trainable launcher with 20 rounds. This project was also abandoned years ago.

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    in reply to: Spanish and other navies Never where ships #2038851
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    Excellent Mconrads. I knew some of the projects but not the contender for the Chilean program nor the Merwede Falcon (what a beautiful ship).

    The Schelde design seems to be the missing link between the LCF and the Sigma corvette

    Yeah. A fifty-fifty mix of both designs.;)

    [QUOTE][BTW. I thought the Chilean program was called “Trident”? /QUOTE]

    May be, but I read more than one info where appeared “Proyecto FRAGATA” (simply, FRIGATE project).

    I bring here the well known AFCON corvette, proposed to Israel, Bulgarian and, even, Spanish navies. It already appears in the Navantia catalogue but I doubt that it find any customer. Note the retractable launcher of the defunct LCASW (Low Cost ASW System).
    Compare it with the more recent CMM (Multi-Mission Corvette), more or less the design corresponding to the Venezuelan corvettes now building up.

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/NAVANTIA_AFCON_CORVETTE_9.jpg

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/NAVANTIA_CMM.jpg

    Regards

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