Of course, BSAC-200/220 was based in PdA, but enlarged and with a “CTOL flightdeck”. PdA is 189 x 24,6 m at waterline, then 220 x 29 m for the BSAC-220 is a direct redimension following the same design.
Two shafts seemed the most possible option, but PdA has worked reasonably good with only one (cheaper solution and more internal room).
Steam turbine propulsion was also considered for BSAC projects (steam generation for cats isn’t easy with other propulsion options).
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X07, the image that you posted is “fanart”, may be inspired in the BSAC concept but “fanart” anyway.
BSAC-220/240 was a design for the export market. A future replacement for the “PdA”, if any and if F-35B go ahead, most probably, would be a derivative of the BPE design, may be less “phib” but more “CV” oriented.
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I understand this is what is fitted to the F100 and Nansen classes. It is probably too large for anything much under about 4000 tonnes due to the demands on both space and below deck “height” (a hull has to be a certain minimum depth to accomodate the Tactical launcher’s length).
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The 48 cell MK-41 in F-100 are “Strike Length” (in fact TLAM are recently aproved for a possible sell to Spain, destined to F-100 and future S-80 subs).
I’m not completely sure but the single 8 round Mk-41 in Nansen is possibly “Strike Lengnth” too.
For instances, I think that the 32 cell Mk-41 in the future PF for Denmark will also be “Strike” ones.
I have some doubts on Mk-41 at LCF and F124.
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Scooter: no, I haven’t a web on 16DDH/DDH13500, only things obtained here and there (Google is a terrific weapon đ ).
The best information available is at the superb magazine “Ships of the World”… but in japanese only :rolleyes:
Emgy: of course, type names nowadays are a beat relaxed.
In Spanish forums there were some debate why a 6.000 t-AEGIS-48 VL cells vessels are classified like frigates, but taking account that US destroyers are reaching 10.000 t (12.000-14.000 soon) probably is a pretty correct name ;).
I´ll try to post some more information on 16DDH.
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Well, at the moment 16DDH is (“will be”) an helo-carrier (officially helo-carrier destroyer :rolleyes: ), then the bow phalanx don´t be a problem.
In previuos designs it was in front of the bridge, in the place now occuped by a satcom dome.
If any moment in the future Japan wants to use F-35B from 16DDH may be an ski-jump woul-be useful.
Something like that:
May be this “chorus line” would be interesting…
(note that 16DDH is 13500 t std but 18.000 t full)
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In fact, the 16DDH from Japan seems the absolute minimum in order to use the F-35B, and, with 18.000 t, they´ll not be tiny vessels. A ship of the Cavour’s size seems more convenient.
Of course, compared with a Nimitz, they are small carriers, but they are far beyond the “8.000 t carrier” of the thread.
The 16DDH:


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Well, the image is extracted from that Armada’s pdf doc đŽ
The MRD-10000 and MRV-7500 were proposed for the NAVPOL project but seems that Portuguese Navy preffers the Enforcer concept.
Here a nuclear through-deck AEGIS cruiser considered by the USNavy (extracted from Friedman’s superb “US Cruisers”)

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It is nice that I delight you with graphics you have been looking for – a few will follow in the next time, but I am afraid I have used most of my small carrier ammunition. Perhaps I encourage other to open their stocks too
OK, it make sense :rolleyes:
This is the hangar layout of the Chakri:
and this a kind of multirole vessel proposed to the Portuguese Navy by HDW:
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Yes, Floreal are ships very close to the BAM concept, at least in the patrol version.
The idea with BAM is to use the same platform for a different roles with minor modifications, something similar to the Stanflex concept. The difference is that Stanflex can swing from one role to the other changing the “Stanflex modules”, but BAM will born like a patrol ship, or like an AGI, or like a diver support ship, etc. and probably this will be his main role along his life.
If the concept is succesful in 10-15 years a lot of Spanish navy ships will be BAMs, not included frigates, subs and the big ones (AOR, anphibs), of course.
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BAM wouldnât be classed like frigates in Spanish Navy but patrol ships. In fact they wouldnât be included in the Fleet Command but in the Maritime Action Command (a sort of âCoast Guardâ into the Navy). They will replace a lot of smaller patrol vessels.
4 are ordered now but the plan is building at least 10 ships for patrol duties and another 4 for other mission (AGI, Oceanographic).
This is a link to the BAM´s site:
BAM
European:
Did we meet in other place (forum) before?
Sure. :rolleyes:
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The main role of BPE isnât to carry F-35 (or Harrier), thatâs her secondary role. Sheâll has extensive command and control facilities, long range 3-D radar, good ECM/ESM, but she is basically a very capable anphib vessel in the way of Tarawas & Wasp (although smaller).
Of course the size makes her an aircraft platform with a capability similar (if not larger) than Principe (except speed), but she only will act in that role from time to time.
In fact Armada web explains that when configured like LHD (the most usual) BPE will displaces 27.000 t full (19,5 knots) and when configured like carrier 24.500 t (21 knots).
BPE will use some civil building norms, she have nothing similar to PAAMS and 1 TG + 2 diesel vs 4 TG´s in Cavour. Official fund for the vessel is 360 million Euro, but development of some equipment isnât included (a new 3D radar, combat system, etc.). 500-600 million Euro will be more reasonably figure.
She is not a carrier but an LHD. 21 knots are enough. She will take the place of Principe only when this will out of service in maintenance or upgrade works.
QUOTE]AFAIK Garibaldi is too small for the F-35B to operate at full weight. Wasn’t that a factor in setting the size of the Spanish BPE, which is about the same tonnage as Cavour? Hmm . . . I wonder what the Spaniards plan when Principe de Asturias wears out.[/QUOTE]
BPE is designed taking in mind F-35B, but the main factor about her size is the need to transport 900-1000 soldiers, their vehicles and equipment (light and heavy), 4 LCM´s (or 2 LCAC) and 12 helos (all at same time!).
Principe will be upgraded once the BPE be in service, and the idea is that she reminds in service along the 2010âs decade.
It seems that the Armada prefers âthe see and waitâ tactic. If F-35B goes well another LHD, may be more biased to aircraft operations, would be a suitable solution.
The S-80 has evolved from the basic lines of the Scorpene and, at this moment, it´s a very different vessel. It´s not included, at least from a marketing point of view, in the Scorpene family and it´s not building 50-50 by DCN-Navantia, like Scorpene, only by Navantia.
It will be a 2.500 t sub, with a larger diameter hull and double deck (Scorpene is single deck). Its AIP system isn´t the MESMA. It uses fuel-cells. The difference with other fuel-cell plants (Type-212/214) is that the LOX will be âproducedâ at the sub itself using reformed methanol.
The combat system is from Lokheed-Martin and now that US Congress has validated the sell to Spain of TLAM it´s possible that this one will used in S-80 (the other weapons up to 20, will be the german Seehake torpedoes and the Sub-Harpoon).
The first one is planed for 2010-2011, following the 3 other one every year.