I bet some components for F-22 would be produced in our China, even F-35. So their life in our hands not PAK FA.
Exactly, F-22 length 18.9m is with the stabs not to the nozzle level. If you bring the F-22 nozzles to the level of the horizontal-stabs and if you move the vertical-stabs back and reduce size of it, the plane suddenly looks bigger without changing the overall length.
Just look at this image : The J-20 looks HUGE, much longer than the F-22 (Image-1, Image-2). But the F-22 nozzles don’t go right back to the level of the horizontal-stabs. J-20 nozzles do go right back. So how much longer is the J-20 compared to the F-22? 2m? 3m? 4m? I will have to wait until official values are released.
Is that influenced by vertical fin so much or you didn’t take it as a synthesis.
Even right one below, theF-22’s side weapon bay on length is deathly larger than J-20, ask yourself is it possible?
So this is an unreasonable thread?
The internal fuel gives more than 1000 km combat radius to F-35, what if it carries four 1400 liters or 1800 L external fuel tank with STOL?
Not even compare to Helicopter? If we’re desiring combat radius here, why did US navy dismiss S-3 viking so quickly?
When we say the speed for F-35 will be too fast to achieve the mission of anti-sub, are we forgetting what speed that P-3 is?
It seems there are two sort of MiG-29SMT at least, one with internal fuel tank in LERX increasing combat radius to 1550km as air-combat role according to JAWA, and the other which looks like a kind of modification from original version without IFT in LERX.
Let’s assume that the J-20 is actually 20 m. A guess that’s 90% accurate basically means we have a length range of 18-22 meters. (10% smaller to 10% bigger). The range of results from potential error completely changes our assessment of the plane. That’s why these arbitrary measurements are silly. I’m pretty much done with this topic. If other people want to insist the J-20 is longer than 21 meters, let them have their fun.
The fun is always followed by someone’s uncomfortableness with unwanted truth.
Edit :
Using the Su-27/30/35 & J-10 should be better at calculating the J-20 length. All those planes have AL-31 or a variant of them so we can use the nozzles diameter as the reference, plus we know the official length of these planes.
The more the object is approached by reference, the more the measurement will be close to real size.
Clearly, the size of missile is far more better one.
According to some early photo with blurred profile, the space between missile and BHD was neglected, even so, the size would be 20.6 meters approximately, hence, still too small to be real in terms of the newest photo.
The 18.9 meters for F-22 is horizontal stabilizer included, on the other hand, enlarged vertical fin on J-20 will never/ever change anything apparently.
Also never joined that group those tended to say the J-10 just is same size as Lavi.
BTW, the board didn’t show a correct winspan for J-20, it won’t be such small, ergo, those are not official data.
It seems we have different point here. It is the G-load chart changed by aeroayout not the avionics.
A fair version to be rival of F-16 latest version is MiG-35 or MiG-29M2, the MiG-29UPG merely a version retrofitted from original version.
Flateric:
That is not a brochure, a board we called it.
As long as the 21 meters was admitted, there will be a good news for J-20 fans.
Soviets used Su-27 as Interceptor more than actual air-superior fighter.
A higher ITR doesn’t necessarily mean a batter turn performance, the G load for MiG-29 is significantly greater than Su-27, which indicates a smaller turn radius at same condition.