Again, emile’s impressionistic drawing overlay of J20 & F22 wrongly put the vertical fins of BOTH J20 & f22 at the same height, the therefore mistake of length is obvious.
😎 Originally, I thought an aircraft with small all-deflectable vertical fin must be lower than any otherS on same class, but that is a preconception. We were taking presumption as matter of course.
The F-22 is only 5 meters tall, even lower than F-15:)
Hence why it’s meaningless. It may be the opposite of what you wish too 😛
Hold on, that’s what I’m saying. The J-20 isn’t much larger than the F-22. I don’t think we’re disagreeing?
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However, that’s besides the point. If you think the J-20 is below 21 meters I don’t think we’re in disagreement.
Clearly you didn’t see logic of the sequence by the photos I made, so you didn’t know where did I stand:D
You’re funny. I could do that with a picture of a midget and yao ming and claim the midget was taller using that method 😛
Really? then do it.
Or…the J-20 just has big wheels. If you compare the landing gear to fuselage height, you will find the F-22’s landing gears are much smaller relative to fuselage height than the J-20’s. Human beings have a bias towards thinking taller objects are bigger, even when all other parameters are the same.
The result of smaller gear belong to F-22 maybe the sth go opposite from your wish:D
First step: matching the drawing of side view, to make sure the drawing is perfectly around the real one.

Second step, to make the canopy, gear and wheel are almost same size as J-20
Thus you can see the J-20 is not much larger than F-22.
But, comply with your wish,
Now the J-20 is over 21 meters long.
Actually…if you compare the ratio of the cockpit to the nose, the J-20’s nose is shorter relative to its cockpit than the Su-35s…but these are all meaningless comparisons :P.
Yes, completely meaningless as your wish, an aircraft with shorter nose could be a comparably large aircraft whereas an a/c with long nose could be a relatively small a/c.
Do you want to compare F-5E and F-35?:cool:
Given the height of J-20’s belly, the J-20 could be 22 meters long and maybe same wingspan as Su-27. But the size of wheel and cockpit made things different.
Presuption of same size of canopy on both F-22 and J-20 is untenable. Yes, they are more closer than others but their profile are completely unsimilar.
Someone don’t remember the size of canopy on P-51 goes far away from F-22 although they are seemingly same on side view.
Ditermination to the size of canopy not is figure of pilot but instument panel, due to the capability of integration on avionics, the cockpit of J-20 is suppose to be a liitle bit larger than F-22.
Otherwise, you can see the stanchion of gear and main wheel on J-20 are thicker than F-22 remarkably. Which means diameter of those also shall be slightly bigger.
Eago this is a huge aircraft notonly on size butalso on weight.
Yes emile.
But in this instant the aircraft is performing a turn under 5G..
So how much more will the Levcons lower at a 9G turn?
Depends on what’s kind of maneuver you do at 9G
At that angle the Levcons clearly covers the top area of the air intakes..
Possible supersonic ramp function?
It’s the instant of being AoA.:p
nice view
Actually, not impressive, but still a good job.
The PAKFA can persist energe for climbing posture after turn 180° within 7s or turn 150° within 6s.
Its the low pressure at the centre of the vortex that creates lift over the body of the J-20. If you aren’t at a high AoA, you aren’t creating those vortices and therefore you are not creating lift from the body.
Jesus, body lift, lift body, lift of body, body of lift etc etc……. Omg:D
Doesn’t the body (fuselage) of the plane itself generate some lift without assistance from vortex generators though? Because that’s what I was primarily referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_body#Body_lift
I copy this for PAKFA at possibly coming day.:p
I saw where did the 38 Square Meter come from, because of misguiding, someone has already followed, therefore we would see a tailless delta wing a/c has 20% more smaller wing area than a normal layout a/c while equivalent engine on size installed.
This discussion is going funny:D![]()
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The 8 abreast MR A2A missile was remembered……
Kovy:
Your photos are very nice.
But I forgot to say the outboard missile was loaded with other pylons hung Apache or Stormshadow and three 2000L fuel tanks simultaneously. What I mean is “full load completely”, each pylons occupied with maximum payload, not only a2a mode.
Under this thread many were not prototype but testbed.
From youtube
This is absolutely not a human-made craft if what presented in screen is true.
Chengdu J-9
Good job
the prototype means a real plane doesn’t it?
Here is a tendency of moving to Agentina :p
No way
No adequate volume in belly inlet for reinforced gear even with dual wheel, and the weight will be no longer adequate for the carrier even if the dual-wheeled gear would be fitted.
be direct.
also your english is bit hard to understand emile. 😉
English online is almost no formal grammar in terms of the English Political Economics I read from 18 century.
There was a story, I asked an American who came from New york as an financial expert to explain some sentences I’d picked out of a political economics book because I felt it was really hard to be translated precisely to Chinese, so I thought maybe the sentences I asked to reexplain by another way, which could be a help, do you know what happened next?
He read those, say about half hundred words for 5 minutes, then ask me in return, “you write these?”, “No, which I copied from this” I show him book, “the copy not clear?”
“No, but these English is quite difficult” He answered
For avoiding awkward situation, I had to say “those are rubbish” and did apology for disturbing him, albeit………do you know David Recardo 😮
MD had a canard in JAST but right before the down select went to a lambda main wing with a slightly canted vt. in YF23 style.
needless to say alot of turbulent churns in that team.
after they lost the jast downselect they merged with boeing. boeing had a V tail also but much more matured.
Too many times I had to switchover my English from classical to modern repeatedly, so I knew with many preposition lost and some strange grammar as residuals, my English could be not so strict as same as sometimes you did.
But I can do guess what did exactly you want to say…….
Humm, now I got the English from our school:D
In my view, Boeing never got sth mature, if they did, they wouldn’t change their layout at the end almost.
A tendency I felt on V tail was blamed as more inclined, more premature
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Think good, that is a tendency I did and will do to anything from Chinese, because I am a Chinese.
What I drawn and hypothesis done by me here all comply with this tendency, and now some information released, the S.O. could possibly be very big that won’t be suitable for craft-carrier.
Legendary 17 meters long shall never be called huge