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  • in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2342885
    emile
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    ok let’s waiting for the terminal number

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2342943
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    Maybe you are right, before the finally data unveiled, could you tell me why the 22 meter I insisted merely 2 meter away from your 20 meter but what measures with reference considered gave us a 17.13 meter which much far away then my number?

    Remember the towing-truck is 4950mm long for 26 units in that photo corresponding to 90 units for J-20, so that we got exactly 90/26×4.95mīŧ17.1346m.
    Your refenrece gave you a 2.8654 meter inaccuracy, this gap even larger than what between us.

    Fuethermore, we see clearly, that truck was towing the J-20 far more away than the camera, and I cut its length uncompletely, if considered perspective, the scale to the J-20 shall be bigger, the we will get a length of J-20 even shorter than 17 meter!

    When 游民 debat this by his scale using, I found he enlarged low quality photo into high quality photo to measure the scale, reversely, I constrained hi into low for fidelity. I’m not PS expert, but I know faith in low quality photo means a risk very enormous!

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2342988
    emile
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    There is no perspective problem if the measuring stick is laterally parallel to and in front of the plane, which the tow truck is. :diablo:
    Also, perspective problems are less of a problem when the objective reference is bigger, because any margin of error has a smaller multiplier. In other words, using a person’s height (which already has problems of unknown variability since you don’t know the height of the person you’re using to measure), is even more of a problem than using the truck. The truck method is still better. This is basic math and science.

    Id rather back to that truck, got a less 20 meter or closer to 19 meter long with perspective considered.:D
    Almost same as F-22’s 18.9m or just longer half meter, if you really believe this.:rolleyes:

    Six PL-12Cs with the folding rear wings should be able to fit in no problem.
    I doubt PL-11s will be used on the J-20.
    They’d have a harder time fitting in six normal sized PL-12s or the future PL-21 in but I think it’s possible, without going into detailed analysis.

    You shall think an advance step of any weapon enlarged, the 2.1 meter is the lowest limit without any gap between each missile considered. Actually the accurate number is 2198mm;)

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343035
    emile
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    You might want to try properly scaling the height of people in that picture first before passing judgement. I seriously have trouble believing that the people in the J-20 picture are that much taller than the people in the F-22 picture, especially since the average height in China is about 3 inches shorter than the average height in the US.

    Most of people who insist 20 meter or less measured via truck or man without consideration of perspective.
    Actually, they are same height and with perspective this scale is reasonable.
    http://i55.tinypic.com/sn05jo.jpg
    Notice! the American stood at opposite side of F-22 whereas most of Chinese stood where closer to viewer.:diablo:
    So he is 3inch taller than our Chinese.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343037
    emile
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    its because people think a “long” airplanes is suck at turning thus is a striker and a ” stuby and shorter” airplane is a good dog fighter.
    hehhhh….. there is a place for eye-ball engineering in aerospace, but not as much as one think.
    You know there is a kelly Johnson story: when he was reviewing a top view of a airplane design. he stared at the top view and said, the rudder is too small 😀

    Who told you a shoter airplane is a good dog fighter? The Su-27 is much longer than MiG-23, will you say the MiG-23 will win Su-27 in high probabality when they perform a dog fight? Otherwise, J-29 is shorter enough than F-22, who will you bet to be a winner in a dog fight?

    Conversely I saw someone lacking confidence of sufficient power to the J-20. The J-20 supposed to be a small jet to adapt their weak engine:cool: If this is not true, then a large jet with powerfule turbo means a capability for multi-function.

    From the 3D picture which did magnificently, no less six MRAAM should be loaded in ventral bay. In terms of typical MRAAM PLA used, even stagger arrangement considered, the weapon bay ought to be more than 2.1 meter wide. But the F-111’s only weapon bay is supposed to be 1.2 to 1.5 meter wide for two AGM-69 loaded parallely. Which means the weapon bay’s wide of J-20 are supposed to be at least 1/2 larger than F-111’s on wide.

    Submit to you guys, I constrained the size to 20.5~21 meter below, then I wonder how can you sqreeze 6 PL-12 or PL-11 into such birdcage?

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343614
    emile
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    LOL, seems somebody going to lose his handler, as he previously promised if his 23 meters length estimation is wrong, he will not sign in using back the current ID.
    Well, I retaliate the words I said then, he had already lost numerous handlers in such way thus I won’t be surprise he is doing again.:D

    http://i51.tinypic.com/t8ofmq.jpg
    What a memory it is :diablo:

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343660
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    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=195296&d=1305370316
    In this photo, we can see clearly that diameter of J-20’s main wheel even smaller than F-22 according to its length be constrained to PAKFA size.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343670
    emile
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    I didn’t neglect anything against my opnion as you can see even the agnle of view being there I cut the redundent length as well.
    But I also have noticed the view angle presented on that car as well so according to this, the J-20 can be shorter than 19 meter. The tolerance is so great there make this scale unauthentic.
    In the photo below you can see what if the length of J-20 as around PAKFA.
    One will laugh at the height of its cockpit even same as F-22 and lower than PAKFA.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343724
    emile
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    I did, 20 meters

    If you are unable to do calculation, there is nothing can talk with you.

    Paralay:

    The drag chute presumed same type but there is different size in your calculation according to your pic.

    Here is another way to reckon, if we know the wide of that wheel bay, which I estimate no less than 1.2 meter in terms of the diameter of main wheel is approxi to .85~.90 meter.
    The 1.2 meter is reasonable also due to the wide of man’s shoulder.
    Normally, the wide of a man’s shoulder won’t be narrower than 40cm, if he is a dwarf, it is something else then.
    In the photo you can see the wide of this bay even a little bit wider than two man’s shoulder side by side without perspective considered.
    In the photo you can see it is 61.4:3.25 for the scale.
    If the 3.25=1.2 meter how large this jet will be?
    If the 3.25=1.1 meter, this jet is reaching 20.78 meter! thus we approach a limit of unsafty.
    http://i55.tinypic.com/34t3hgx.jpg

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343786
    emile
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    For all we know the weapons bay is 3.1 meters long (again, can’t presume the length without an objective reference point). You don’t need half a meter of clearance to give enough room to launch a missile.

    All you know? Who are the “all” for you meant
    Only 5cm remained for the gap between the border and missile at each side of head and tail?
    Do you have ruler? If you do, then bring it out to see the length of 5cm and make a profound sense of it. :dev2:

    You mean to say the J-20 matched the F-111 with no objective reference point what so ever. In other words, I can do the same with any other plane and claim the J-20 matches the length of those planes as well. The picture with the aircraft tug is a picture with a known objective reference point.

    http://www.chinaspcar.com/Product/html/483.html

    That aircraft tug is 4.95 meters long. If you measure it out, you get a length of around 20 meters.

    Furthermore, this length agrees with other measurements that use known objective reference points, including a truck that was parked in front of a J-10 which was also parked in front of the J-20 in a different picture.

    Here is your tractor, you can calculate it by yourself

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2343801
    emile
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    That picture confirms that the J-20 is around 20 meters long.

    Let’s presume the side weapon bay is used for PL-8 only. Then it won’t be shorter than 3.5 meter due to the length of PL-8 is around 3 meter already, even so, this jet is no less than 21meters.

    In the next two, you can see the J-20 matched F-111 quite reasonable. And you can check the size of Aardvark via internet.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2344180
    emile
    Participant

    I think someone high up in CAC definitely spend lots of time online.
    When you question there product, they answer it ASAP:diablo:

    Since pictures with side bay came out, ppl started to question how big/how long it is… and today… well, let the pictures speak themselves.:D

    Sadly, I have to say your pix spoke nothing…..:D

    in reply to: Eurocanards vs J-20 and J-10B #2344314
    emile
    Participant

    For Christ’s sake man!! are you trying to start a flame war or something?….shame on you!

    http://www.chinahearsay.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/geely_ge_phantom.jpg

    Since somebody got such superior and powerful jet, one shall go to war.
    What are you afraid of?
    This is shame indeed
    http://yyg.cn/upload/forum/200511/20051130135320eq.jpg

    in reply to: Eurocanards vs J-20 and J-10B #2345098
    emile
    Participant

    A precursor of J-20 has been found:diablo:
    😎

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2349931
    emile
    Participant

    Looks two independent bays on each side. So there must be two missiles each.

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