It does not matter in both cases or what was fitted later on. The pilot/crew will be informed by the own network about targets and directed to that. Just near-by the own radar will be activated to track the target and to generate the data for the own weapon-system available. The behavior of the “target” decides what weapon will be choosen and the crucial IFF problem was solved before. 😉
So they are almost equal. And I even think Mirage F-1 is not a pure fighter for air-combat but an attacker, whereas Mirage F-2 was designed for a2a originally.
and A2A the F-1 is the winner depending on weapons-system and quality of pilot/crew.;)
What makes you think that Cyrano would be better than AN/APQ-120 on a2a aspect?

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If the undercarriage of JH-7 was designed as Tornado alike with tandem wheel like Viggen, there will be enough space left for weapon loading.
If the JH-7’s air-inlet was designed as VG air-intakem, just like Tornado’s, then AL-31 could be a substitution for JH-7’s powerplant.
Finally, the only possible rival against MiG-29/35 will be Rafale.
Rafale’s 4575kg internal fuel is not outstanding though, but with CFT which are supposed to carry 700~800kg each, Rafale’s clean fuel load will be equal to the top of MiG-29.
Clean or unclean? With CFT, An additional drag will be given by Rafale’s auxiliary fuel capacity also like F-16 with its CFT. Which means, such internal fuel would not bring a 100% internal fuel like original design.
Perhaps, the drag coefficient comes by CFT would not be same as DTs, but given a 0.9 Dc won’t be overstepped so much.
Furthermore, the CFT carried by Rafale still is undroppable, isn’t it?
Otherwise, the maximum external fuel for Rafale will be three 2000L EFTs and two 1350L EFTs. Total external fuel could be ahead of Fulcrum.
When maximum external fuel be loaded, still 6 pylons left for missiles, beats Fulcrum’s 4.;)
You want to count the number of pylons?:rolleyes:Here you go….
After the post above, I think it could be some misguiding.
Let’s give some kind of example.
Let’s say, is it possible that MiG-29K as a model can load Kh-41 like Su-33?
The same question would be something like this below:
Is it possible that a Kh-41 can be load under F-15’s belly?
It will be not a problem concert to a port which can be easily changed in new production for various weapon, but a physical limitation of entire redesign.
Martin:
The information you analysed are detailed enough. However, what you pointed out directed to “the” specific MiG-29, not MiG-29 as a model of a kind of production. I am not saying what you told us were not important, and we all knew the difference you taught. Yes, be a produced MiG-29, if it were unable to carry R-27 at middle pylon, then it perhaps would never be capable of that. But when we say MiG-29 are able to load something, we mean no physical limitation for loading unless design of a complete new type.
cheers
Freehand,
Let me try this again……Does anyone know if the earlier generation MiG-29’s (i.e. MiG-29 Fulcrum-A, MiG-29S/SD/SM Fulcrum-C) can carry more than two R-27 AIR-TO-AIR MISSILES (notice no mention of fuel tanks)? Was four a possibility?
Didn’t see early version of MiG-29 with four R-27s in image.
However, I also don’t see any impossibility for what you said.
Hi Emile
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From Take-off Magazine No. 19
Still, I will call you to see whether that capacity of DT under belly would be double times as those under wing in image.
Both of Su-22 and MiG-29 carry DTs with similar profile and flow deflector mounted.
The magazine you quoted didn’t say MiG-29 are impossible to carry 1500L DTs under wing. Misunderstanding of 1150L for Su-22 and 1500L for MiG-29 due to the same outline is not deliberate but highly probable. That is why I post Fitter with its DTs.

What capacity of this one carried will be than?
:diablo:
Let’s do something reasonable.
The actual loaded Mig-29SMT or Mig-29K/KUB or Mig-29M/M2 (new design) or Mig-35/35D for drop fuel tanks as follows:
– On wings: 1,150L
– Central: 2,150LMig-29SMT maximum: 2 x 1,150L + 1 x 2,150L = 4,450L
Mig-29M/M2 or Mig-29K/KUB or Mig-35/35D: 4 x 1,150L + 1 x 2,150L = 8,750L
Pick some foto to see whether the fuel tank under centerline would be one times bigger than those under wing.

And if only two could be loaded, then those photos would be possibly faked.
The image below will show you 1150*2 and 1500*2 mixed.
Perhaps I can stop the arguing for a moment with a question relating to earlier MiG-29 variants…
I’m glad someone posted that photo of the Luftwafe MiG-29 with the R-27 because it got me wondering……how many R-27’s can the earlier MiG-29’s (Fulcrum-A, Fulcrum-C) carry?
Is two on the inboard pylons the limit or is it possible to carry four on the inboard and middle underwing pylons? Are the full complement of R-27 models supported? (i.e. R-27R, R-27T, R-27ER, R-27ET?)
Look forward to any answers. Thanks!
The post in which some implication by MSphere before yours has already answered your question I think.
For extending combat radius, MiG-29SMT can load 2×1500 underwing DTs and 1×2000L DTs (some report it is 1900L) whereas ony 3×1400L could be loaded by F-18 and I have been never seeing outboard pylons under F-18’s wing loaded 2×2 ARMAAM while inboard occupied by DTs.
It is true that only 8 ARMAAMs could be carried by MiG-29 if 8 underwing pylons occupied fully meanwhile F-18 can load 10, but by this time, the combat radius for F-18A/B/C/D will be much less than MiG-29, also even loading 3×1400L DTs, the combat radius enlarged for F-18 won’t surpass the MiG-29SMT significantly because DT’s fuel merely be equivalent to 0.8 internal fuel.
This is a simple math:
3×1400=4200L given a s.g. =0.75 we have 3150kg external fuel for F-18
1900×1=1900 given s.g. as well, we have 1425kg external fuel for MiG-29SMT
Now we have total fuel 6242kg equivalent weight for MIG’s internal
and total 7650kg for hornet’s.
It seems that fuel weight for Hornet is greater than Fulcrum, please wait a moment……..
Given the total fuel carried in which 3150kg by DTs would not contribute the same combat radius as total fuel by Fulcrum.
Exchange those DTs to be internal fuel, then we got 3150*0.8= 2250kg for Hornet and 1425*0.8=1140kg.
Now we have total internal fuel that really extending combat radius for Hornet is 2250+4500=6750kg and 1140+6100=6240kg for Fulcrum.
Apparently, Hornet win the fuel loading, but you forget at this time, only 2 ARMAAM could be loaded under Hornet’s wing and 2 would be loaded under inlet.
Now it is your turn to seek any real foto in which Hornet were carrying 3 DTs and 4 ARMAAMs underwing.
Even if you can find that, your ARMAAM stay 6 at top still, and Fulcrum are capable for 8 underwing.
No matter how, Hornet will never win the competition if its rival is Fulcrum.
If you are wise enough, take my suggestion, don’t compete with wide-body fighter for potentialilty of payload.