You are aware all 3 values are probably completely inaccurate? And would be quoted for a best case, head on value? Which is complete crap and marketing trickery.

I think the Su-34 is stealthier than .1m2 due to RAM and re-shaping. States in places as having the RCS of a cruise missile

Actually the 0.1 m2 rcs of the su-34, is very doubtful, but i cant blame the ruskies -or the europeans- for playing the same 0.0000x rcs game 😀

Anyway, time will tell, of course the famous aussi pilot will be cited on countless aviation…i mean “aviation” books and ppl will repeat his quote on many forums and talks 😉

That has happened before, and will happen again..the magic of the marketing, i guess:)

Oh, yeah, the supossed aussi pilot…you know, are him words (or however were taken…) against that radar lock pic (comming from a luckly leak, by the way), yes some of you guys will start with the “it was too close” crap .., but seriously show me a pic of the f-22 on visual range and with out lock-on,..there is a huge marketing campaing to overhip the f-22, like there was also a huge marketing campaign and nice claims about the f-14/15 in their early days..so that really doesnt surprise me

I mean these claims are the claims of always, “the B-1 was undetected to the radars”, “the f-14 can do 9gs with full phoenix load”, only years later the people really get the true story..funny, ppl still fall again and again so easely, guess is a mix of national pride / aviation romanticism

The IRST could be used from any altitude. The F 14D had an IRST (that outranges the Russian systems by far)

Funny how cheap are some claims, automatically it must be better because some LM PR guy said that and is mounted on the f-14…not saying the russian hardware is better (not saying is worse), but that is an old unconfirmed claim, that is repeated again and again..

There are some things we must consider as strong points that the su-35 will have over their foes;

1-3D TVC, which means high mobility at altitude (a great help for BVR tactics), no gentlemen it has nothing to do with post stall pirouettes or air shows.

2-The agile antenna of the Irbis, meaning it can point over the target at a safe direction, im sure the Irbis means a lot for pasive tactics, remember the RCS is not absorved, it just goes to another place

3-The very-long range missiles, treating AWACS.

And then is not about the su-35, but about the integration and modernisation over older planes, specially of the 2 last items.

Although not as invincible as F-22A

overoptimist claim..

The frontal RCS of Golf-ball size.

At K band perhaps? 😉 -other than this claim is not confirmed, like the original B-1 RCS claim ;)-, and again, the RCS is not absorved, it just goes to another place, i bet, not very far.

Still remains to see which will be the operative ceiling of the su/F-35, something which will have a lot of influence on the performance, even for the electronic one, as far it seems the IRST on the f-35 seems more optimiced for ground combat than for aerial one.

Anyway, i also consider the claim as pure marketing crap, but hey!, the russians are learning from the best ones , you know? 🙂

Because you want to have something already in place when they bring their stuff online. And as you may have noticed, missile defense isn’t a problem you can solve in six months so if we waited until they had the missiles to start developement we wouldn’t have realistic defenses for years afterwords. Consider that Desert Storm seventeen YEARS ago was the wake up call on missiles defense and we’re just now beginning to field systems to address that problem.

Then investigate the missile issue better, and when you get signs of an iranian ICBM deploy it wherever you can, but why now?,i have my doubts these missiles are actually ABM’s…why?..because there is no iranian ICBM arround, simple. Russians are not dumb, i bet they think these are IRBM’s for a preemptive attack, specially since the Russian/US relations have been heating lately.

Of course this can lead the ruskies deploying ss-20’s labeling them as ABM’s

Iran must be worried.., because if a saudi extremist blow away Washington with a nuke, then the “patriots” will blame Iran (as they did with Iraq) -even when both were the worst enemies of the “terrorists”-, and now with their ABM’s the US can “punish” them in a more safe way

This will lead to FOBS, Iran will need it to stay safe, but seriously when the get the ICBM tech, they can jump quite easely to FOBS tech..so why all that ABM site rush?….

Seriously i have nothing against ABM’s…that tech will lead to further development of the aerospace industry, but im not so sure these polish missiles are actually ABM’s

Right now Iran does not have any missile to reach US soil….so why all the rush to deploy ABM’s in Poland?

Yes of course for the average-Joe who grew up with movies of evil muslims with nukes over New York is easy to “understand” this great threat.

But for a russian….lets see, the iranians dont have any missil to hit US cities…so why they deploy their “ABM’s” without anything to target?….well, because these :

1-Are targeting our missiles
2-Are not ABM’s

simple

Iran could be one of the best US allies in the “war agaisnt terror”, but there is a lot of money and not finished business left after the falling of the Sha, everybody knows who is behind the international anti-western “terrorism”, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, but then again this campaign have nothing to do with “national security”

hahaha now we go to the inquisition style accusations we the doctored you the disenter.

The F-22 has a rounding of the nose radome while the original more stealthy YF-22 had not, of course it is because the diamond cross section is the best aerodynamic shape, is not it ah! probably you will say to me the YF-22 was a more advanced design due to is more aerodynamic perfect diamond cross section, ah i was forgeting the canopy seen in the YF-22 is more stealthy but the F-22 uses a more rounded one because the perfect diamond cross section is ? your answer acccording to you probably is the diamond cross section is better for supercruising it is not more draggy

Hmm dont know about the canopy, but is a good observation, about the radome, what i know, is more rounded because the radar propagation issues on a faceted nose, but yes the yf-22 was more stealthier, and the f-22 is more rounded, of course ppl will claim is more rounded because the advances of supercomputers and all these nice tales 🙂

One thing, flay nozzles reduce the power output in arround 10%, meaning you need to recover that 10%, with more power and more IR signature, flat nozzels were considered on ATF and pre-ATF projects in which the “stealth” factor was not present, flat surfaces was the western solution (the most practical for them) for the TVC