The flaming is a very important part of a healty forum…you should understand it origins, and its effects..

For example…a rather boring thread, can be successfully turned into a very funny topic to read…like starting with boring produccion failures..and ending with Mr. Obama or immigrants 🙂

Or a stucked aviation thread can get some spicy flavor with gas prices, and cultural economic differences….

And yeahhh…and all these wall-texts arround….such nice decorative details

I mean…..if this forum turn just only about nice pics threads, the forum itslef would become uber-boring

Is OK that some post would be deleted after the initial joy to read it (because after read it 2-3 more times is not funny anymore)…but i still have not found any member that deserve to be banned, there are not “ur a pig commie/capitalist”, or nasty/bad words, so i think there is too much whining about…sorry guys, nothing personal.

Thanks hyperwarp for these links.

Interesting, the first link of the model “611” (that seems is a wind tunnel test model) has it canards aligned with the main wing, any better picture with the whole body?

Any figures about the weight of the projected plane?

China is testing TVCs?, never have seen a picture about it

Seems Chengdu has won over Shenyang for the concept of the j-xx, the link shows both configurations

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/jxx.asp

At last! a canard-delta configuration!, seems it will be an interesting project, sadly the lockheed JSF didnt go far with their canard delta, because mechanical/aerodynamic balance problems with the VTOL fan, but seems China will pick that configuration

You certainly couldn’t debate them though it seems… :rolleyes:

Radars can beat stealth tech?, yes they can
Thet can do it cost/effectively? yes they can

I have posted my arguments , go and review them

Now, if you want to me to post about diplomacy, economy and a bunch of crap that have nothing to do with the debate?, sorry but i just cant debate them

I really dont get, some arguments here are very subjetive, like if the radar operator will have a bad day because he cant get a precise enough info…

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/arrow2/

The dual mode missile seeker has a passive infrared seeker for the acquisition and tracking of tactical ballistic missiles and an active radar seeker used to home on air breathing targets at low altitudes

Again an example of active seekers and low GHz radars (less than 1 GHz, for the elta Green), although, a high frecuency radar should be needed IMO for the Elta -to use cheaper missiles-

The GCI will miss vital data, f.e. about height and angle

What are you saying ?, that low frecuency radars cant give u that data with precision? you are very wrong about that

Maybe the physicians will find a new technology sensor

What are you saying?, Radar cant do the job?, again wrong…

I really dont know about the link capacities for missiles/fighters/radars , but i dont think is technical impossilbe to link the info from -for example- an AWACS or ground radar with the missile, and i dont think a SARH missile cant pick a stealthy plane at shorther ranges than 10kms with the wattage and frecuency of a conventional fighter radar at normal fire ranges

Active homming is the key, really that was something that came on my mind a lot while ago, funny was that later i found that the serbian 117 was down by that concept, and later i found a VHF-AESA russian radar that use pretty same concept.

Im sure the tactitians knew that far earlier than me, really isnt about supercomputers or more procesing power, is just knowledge and common sense

Even at X band i think all the stealth stuff is grossly overrated ,but effective for full long range x-band based radars (althought, not as sometimes is claimed)

Nice, the thread is cleaned and open, thxs guys

The main problem I can see with the R179-300 is that it seems to be only made in MotorSich in the Ukraine…

But wouldnt be a good idea to integrate Ukraine to the Pakfa?, really now that you have said that, i see brazil/india interest on the plane, but what about the other ex-soviet countries?, what about Poland and other states?, i know the US is arround…but the integration and participation wouldnt ensure a better market?

About Ukraine, well seems they have keeping the research on that engine, and now lyulka is researching (or finish) the al-41. Now, an agreement of r-179’sed pakfas for kiev would’nt help the project?

I know, politics arent my field, but the r179 seems to be too good to be overlooked

BTW Yak is on the pakfa?