It’s EXACTLY what you’re talking about. You’re claiming that medium range AAMs will be ineffective in a heavy ECM environment. He was pointing out that ECCM can counter ECM, and he referenced a specific example to support his statement.

I realize that supporting one’s claims with factual evidence is something of an alien concept for you (i.e., your ridiculous pronouncements of the Raptor’s supposed inability to reach 60 degrees AoA), but apparently not everyone here is so hindered.

ECM, ECCM, ECCCM, ECCCCM, ECCCCCM, ECCCCCCM, ECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCM, all are the same and all use that in one way or another :rolleyes:

about the raptor i said IF, IF, IF read again

Missiles can change waveform, change frequencies, switch to home-on-jam and other techniques.

same for the ECM…….for a bvr tactic you need a rain of missiles, first the missiles right now against a movile target arent still precise, now put ECM, and you have more problems, bvr works if you have numbers or if the enemy dont have bvr

Agree, good avionics are always an advantage.
What i can read out of your post is that the Eagle is supreme in every aspect compared to the enemies it encountered

good avionics and good pilots, as in the korean air war, again even with mirage3s they won against mig21s, despite is commun knowledge that the mig21 is better in dogfights,-oh-oh here will come all the mirage fans…-

avionics are important, but the difference between the f15 and the exported mig23 and mig21 -well you cant do more with the fishbed randome size- was huge, how can you compare the avionics when you have an f15 with the last radar generation, and 21-23 almost without radar….????

the f15c was the funtional f15,really fighter, the 15a wasnt sooo good against a decent equiped-piloted mig23

Well im no expert in aerodynamics, but its generally understood the Eagle has a minor advantage at high subsonic speeds whereas the Flanker has quite a huge advantage at low speeds.

yes is that 0.05M advantage at g limit, almost useless -if not useless-, the su27 aerodesign is comparable with the f16, not with the 15 that is based in older concepts

again the media has overhipped a machine, the reason was the US trauma in vietnam, so always will be some guys that believe those “facts” easely, but dont analyse against which foes they fought, and in what conditions

Just keep the speed high enough and the Flanker has some serious problems

wait, wait, one thing is a linear flight in which the f15 is better by the delta wing -but isnt a huge difference-, other thing is to manouevre at such speeds in which the su27 aerodynamics are better, i think that there is a missinterpretation about that, because the su27 high aspect ratio wing has more drag at higher speeds, but its aerodynamics are more advanced and save more energy than the eagle, but there is an advantage of 0.05M above the mig29 in wich the 15c has a better turn, but isnt significant

the israel pilots are good, even with mirages3 beated the mig21-17, but good radars always give you a tactical advantage (even if in the end you shoot aim-9s) also were not a lot as you say, there were lots of planes downed by Aim7s (most of kills were done with sparrows) -that if the israel numbers are true, because the war is also propaganda war- that reduce the planes that you must face, and kill them with f16…

also one thing is to manoeuvre a plane with a locked-radar enemy and other is flying manoeuvring against the aim7 wall tring to reach your enemy with your rwr ringing constantly :rolleyes: even in that scenarie the f15 will have a better oportunity to shoot an aim9, the f15 first kills (pre-war-1978/9) were done with cannon, aim9s, but that dont mean that they didnt shoot aim7, actally one claim is with the sparrow

mirrors works, and good, Vortex, do you know how a laser works???????mirror, refectant coatings, etc..

if a laser works, thats just because there is a mirror for that, also IR mirrors are much simpler to build than X-UV

IR lasers are more suceptible, since IR frecuency dont need complex reflectants to the phase resonance stage, because IR (not like high frec) isnt absorved more easely (well, not like blue-UV+ frecuencies), here the problem is not the laser power, is the frecuency

As to UVs…now, there’s this thing called the Ozone

:confused:, what you are talking about??, who said UV??,anyway, are you comparing the EM nature with the human health parmeters???

im not discussing why they puted the laser in the nose (there could be looots of reasons), but that position is bad for a ABM system

with lasers you will always be compromised

a top mounted laser is more practical for ABM sistems, you can do shoots easier on patroll trayectories ,thats very important because you dont need to move the 747 -that affect the accuracy- and dont forget that the jumbo isnt the most maneuverable machine in the world…., but i think that the 747 hump was a problem (for the laser coverage and turbulence over the laser), also they tried to design something more versatile, and use the shoot-down capacity maybe against cruiser missiles or………afgan villagers…….

“a small ABM with a good fighter platform”? What are you trying to say?

yes,yes,yes, i mean a ASAT missile

It’s probably a tradeoff of a sorts. The longer wavelengths travel through the atmosphere better.

no, man, if in the end they use the IR frecuency, and see that at such frec the laser works better, man, that mean that the design was a failure (just like the NOVA experiments in which the scientifics designed a IR laser complex, but later they start to use transmuters to UV-X frecuency, pretty failure)

It’s probably for a couple reasons. Field of fire and less turbulance.

well, for ballistic missiles a better position is above the fuselage,you have a better coverage area and less plataforms to secure the zone, but maybe they found some problems with the 747 “hump”, the turbulence effects on a laser performance isnt big and i dont think that the factor would be critical for the plataform (but if the laser is shoot backwards ,the plane turbulence will be an important factor, and maybe the hump is also a turbul-issue), i think that the laser position is a mistake, because the plane must the in the direction of the enemy position to have a good interception probability, not in a convetional patrol circuit, that mean that the 747 must move to “catch” the missile and must be closer to the enemy lines, so if you want youre scuds to pass, you only need the 747 position

about the laser countermeasures (reflectant surfaces), that could work, covering the mirrow layer with a special paint that could be vaporized with the frecuency-energy laser, and expose the reflecting paint or tiles (whatever) to the laser, could work very good

The ABL isn’t an X-ray laser.

well, is very high frecuency, i dont know if is X or high UV, but is iodine-oxigen, that say all, the russians are the masters of iodine-O lasers, but they use that only in ISKRA experiments (nuclear fusion)