Well, Russia it not equal to the US in any sense of the word and China is further behind. As a matter of fact China best fighter is the Flanker that was provided by the Russians. Which, inturn is totally outclassed by the USAF F-22 Raptor. Sorry, but you’ve lost me here…………………

There is not that many F-22 around to challenge quantity of flankers when they are equiped with long range AirtoG weopons and mobile SAMs in defensive role. Russians called Su-27SM close to 5th generation upgrade
It is pretty good to maintian 1000km/hr speed for 15 hrs when consider slow down in airflight refuelling time. Its good for long range strike. So for China its not hard to reach Australlia without aircraft carriers.

http://www.royfc.com/news/sep/0806sep01.html
The Russian ace and his partner, Sergey Korostiev, will demonstrate the high capabilities of the new domestic military equipment and technologies on this flight, including satellite navigation and in-flight refueling capabilities. In particular, as Kvochur told an ITAR-TASS correspondent, “the precision of the navigation without the usage of ground reference point will be one meter.” During the flight there will be several in-flight refuelings. The total endurance of the flight will be “nearly 15 hours,” and the range is greater than 12,500 kilometers.

A distinctive feature of the Su-30 on which the record flight is being made consists of the fact that its front cockpit is “fully digital and colored.” “There are no electromechanical instruments, the displays have an enormous memory,” Kvochur explained.

Pilot training is becoming less important to outcome when there is high level of automation.

http://www.royfc.com/news/aug/0701aug02.html
Upgraded Examples of Su-27 and Su-30 Military Airplanes Demonstrated in Astrakhan Oblast’
Now a huge ground and even maritime target can be detected and knocked out from a distance of 400 kilometers.

Yuriy Klishin, the arms leader and Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation air force: “If everything depended on the pilot before, then now the equipment decides everything.”

TVC, excess thrust/fuel, precision bombing, are all nice things to have, but not particularly relevant to operating from a carrier. Even experienced naval aviators will tell you that the most stressful thing they do(to include flying into harm’s way), is a night carrier landing(especially in bad weather). Flight simulator’s can help, but there’s no substitute for the real thing, much like watching porn isn’t a guarantee that you’ll be a ladies man.:cool:

All things are relevant to succesfull carrier operations if u think alittle harder. watching pron is not like actually doing like in simulators. Short take off is part of 5th generation fighter where excess thrust comes handy. similar is the case of TVC where aircraft can act like helicopter. prescion bombing capability requres only precise load to carry along with accurate location of moving target in all weathers. Su-27K with primitive avionics and lack of excess thrust is capable of bad weather night landing. It is pretty heavy aircraft (18.5 tons empy) with all those canards. Su-27KUB is even more heavier and they tested heavy phased radar on it.
Modern Su-35/MIG-29K/PAK-FA will have no problem.

We have ****** all nation debt, we have a future fund for the nation full of money, and more employment will be created in the export industries of Mining, Farming, Vehicle manufacture, LNG shipping to china……. because the dollar is cheaper for people to buy. unlike america, consumer confidence has come back with the news of interest rate cuts.

whats the point of money if it becomes worthless? and that with 6% interest. imagine if it lowers to 1.5% like US. It will be currency collapse and with that all imported gas/food/autos/electroinics/airlines/weopons become more expensive. which already are by big margin. Australlia could never reach US standard of living in real sense. US have Mexico/Canada attached to it with largest trading parnters.

Shows how much you know of the Australian economy. we are in a better position than the US at least we are not in recession! the value of the dollar does not reflect the state of the economy!

ur in worse position than US. US has world reserve currency so it can print its way out of it. And what is definition of recession? Contraction of GDP. since currency has fallen 40% so ur GDP has declined 40% in US dollar terms. which exceeds ur 0.3% GDP growth rate. This happens on economy too much depended on Iron and coke production.
Price of gas/food/electronics/cars and all living standards depends on currency.
http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?pref=country&date=Today

From an Australian point of view, I am only interested in which of McCain or Obama is more likely to make decisions that will affect Australian interests, such as, cutting F35 numbers and so making it more expensive and less attractive, or increasing F22 numbers making them cheaper and given Australia access to the F22. That sort of thing.

Cutting or increasing F-35/F-22 is irrelvant as far as Australlia is concerned. there is 30 to 40% collapse in Australlian dollar relative to US dollar that will impact JSF. Those countries who dont have financial reserves will see there currencies collapse in next couple of years.

It is just demo aircraft with no functional radar. just assuming that there is 2.5 tons increase in MTOW. first flight barely 320knots. Nothing like supercruise ability in first flight.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=aerospacedaily&id=news/GRIPEN052708.xml&headline=Saab%20Flies%20Gripen%20Demo
The aircraft reached a maximum altitude of 6,400 meters (21,000 feet) and a maximum speed of 320 knots during its first flight. “Everything went according to plan,” Seidl said. “The Gripen Demo is more powerful compared to earlier versions of the Gripen, but just as easily flown.”

The F414G engine provides 20-25 percent more thrust than the Volvo RM12 (GE F404) in the Gripen C/D. The landing gear is redesigned to handle a 2.5-ton increase in gross weight and allows internal fuel capacity to be increased by 40 percent. Two stores stations are added under the fuselage.

Later in the test program the Gripen Demo will be fitted with an active electronically scanned array radar being co-developed by Thales and Saab. The aircraft also will test upgrades to the Gripen’s electronic warfare system and additional weapons options.

Photo: Saab

The F414G exists and flying! approx 50kg more. The biggest difference from RM12 is the fansize which is 3 inch wider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=symoYLO5XaQ

I cannot see any data.

Ge has delivered 2 engines to date for the project. They, with other suppliers are in the project, just as much as saab(taking risk and in the technology transfers), and dont get any money from it until she sells.

Su-35 engine test beds were flying since 2004.

On paper? Everything needs a couple of blueprints, wouldnt you say?
The Gripen NG has been on paper only for a few months, and is up and flying already!

It is flying with all its weopons and radar, payload, internal fuel certfied capability. Ur years away from demonstrating that capability. MIG-29K is most accurate description of MIG-35 structural ability along with MIG-29OVT and MIG-35/SMT for radar and TVC. U have to create couple of test beds for NG and make it fly for couple of years.

Look at the competion see how fast things is rolling. See how much money the competion is burning in the process.
Using “COTS” makes it cheaper, hitech and wellproven.

COTS is not military standards speciallized product.

How long has SU-35 been “on paper”? for more than a decade? is it operational?
EF started up on paper nearly “on par” with Gripen A/B, is it still fully operational? (weapons wise)

On the IR-signature part, I wonder if you ever calibrated you instruments…if not, do that.

star 49, please get the facts, not your “willing to be”.

Various subsystems of Su-35 flying for couple of years. U can even look at cockpit simulators years before actual flight. let see Gripen can provide full specification Gripen NG for next year trials.

Saab is part of Investor one of the world’s biggest investor groups controlling huge industries worldwide. Thus offsets is not a problem. Norwegian labour unions have recommended Norway to purchase Gripen due to the much better offsets; not just in scope but also because it’s much more R&D heavy than what LM could offer

Norway is small order when no integration of weopons from east and west.

Incorrect. The current Gripen C/D is a full-fledged 4. generation multirole swingrole plane with world-class performance. NG will be a huge improvement, a true 4.5 gen fighter that already is in the process of beating Rafale, Typhoon, SU-35 etc. in competitions.

Yes on paper. not in operations. can u show any pix of it even lifting 4 tons.

Complete nonsense.

NG will use the Volvo/GE developed F414 engine.

Saab has complete control on all source code to everything they build.

7100 kg is the dry weight of the plane. 40% increase in fuel is obtained by moving the landing gear to the wings this frees space inside the plane for additional 40% internal fuel. The new engine is 50kg heavier than the old but with approx. 25% more thrust.

50kg heavy? http://www.boeing.com. they clearly said engine is 9 to TWR for F414. that make it alteast 150kg-200kg heavier for twin engine configuration. Dont assume weights of engine system from twin engine fighter. 40% more fuel require very beef up structure. This thing is pure paper specifications.

Gripen NG will have low RCS, low IR signature (“second only to F-22!”), increased range, thrust, revolutionary man-machine interface, electronics warfare system that will overwhelm anything Russia can build within the next 20 years.

second only to F-22? it is already obsolete no serious competition will consider it.

You may ask, why is Gripen NG on Brazils short list, but not a single Russian a/c? That tells you something about the real life… :diablo:
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Su-35 is not in IAF competition either. Brazil is more interested in offsets and technology transfers and that is only 2014. U cannot expect Russian investing money now for such small order with technology transfer with delivery so much into future. So may be its weak proposal. It has nothing to do with merits of aircraft.