I dont think terrorism is major issue for most countries of that area after all why SCO insist on US leaving when they are fighting terrorists.
here is bigger issue which effects millions of people rather than thousands. and why he specifically insist on iran what about the others.
Corridors of Power
Anti-drug belt must be built around Afghanistan – Ivanov
MOSCOW. Oct 31 (Interfax-AVN) – Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov
hasproposed creating an international anti-drug security belt around
Afghanistan, with the participation of Iran.“Heroin producers in Afghanistan annually earn about $30 billion. A
huge shareof this money flows out of Afghanistan to other parts of the world,
including Iraq, Chechnya, Indonesia, the Philippines and Western Europe,” Ivanov said on NTV television late on October 29.
“A security belt must be built around Afghanistan. I wouldn’t disregard
Iran’s capabilities in this respect. Iran is a long-standing fighter against
drug trafficking,” the Russian defense minister said.
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CL04Df01.html
Afridi was a key player in the Afghan war of resistance against the Soviet Union’s occupying troops in the decade up to 1989. It is a matter of record that top US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officials believed in the early 1980s that they would never be able to justify a multibillion-dollar budget from the government to provide support to the mujahideen in the fight against the Red Army. As a result, they decided to generate funds through the poppy-rich Afghan soil and heroin production and smuggling to finance the Afghan war. Afridi was the kingpin of this plan. All of the major Afghan warlords, except for the Northern Alliance’s Ahmed Shah Masoud, who had his own opium fiefdom in northern Afghanistan, were a part of Afridi’s coalition of drug traders in the CIA-sponsored holy war against the Soviets
I dont think terrorism is major issue for most countries of that area after all why SCO insist on US leaving when they are fighting terrorists.
here is bigger issue which effects millions of people rather than thousands. and why he specifically insist on iran what about the others.
Corridors of Power
Anti-drug belt must be built around Afghanistan – Ivanov
MOSCOW. Oct 31 (Interfax-AVN) – Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov
hasproposed creating an international anti-drug security belt around
Afghanistan, with the participation of Iran.“Heroin producers in Afghanistan annually earn about $30 billion. A
huge shareof this money flows out of Afghanistan to other parts of the world,
including Iraq, Chechnya, Indonesia, the Philippines and Western Europe,” Ivanov said on NTV television late on October 29.
“A security belt must be built around Afghanistan. I wouldn’t disregard
Iran’s capabilities in this respect. Iran is a long-standing fighter against
drug trafficking,” the Russian defense minister said.
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CL04Df01.html
Afridi was a key player in the Afghan war of resistance against the Soviet Union’s occupying troops in the decade up to 1989. It is a matter of record that top US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officials believed in the early 1980s that they would never be able to justify a multibillion-dollar budget from the government to provide support to the mujahideen in the fight against the Red Army. As a result, they decided to generate funds through the poppy-rich Afghan soil and heroin production and smuggling to finance the Afghan war. Afridi was the kingpin of this plan. All of the major Afghan warlords, except for the Northern Alliance’s Ahmed Shah Masoud, who had his own opium fiefdom in northern Afghanistan, were a part of Afridi’s coalition of drug traders in the CIA-sponsored holy war against the Soviets
I thought one of the goals of Islam was to create some sort of massive Muslim state?
nope. it just happened that in beg of islam arab was single handidly the forebearers so it make sense for them to yawn for a single state instead of 22 currently.
but as different ethincities entered that idea slowly evaporated. no body has strong army to control such a big thing. in modern times expenditure will be massive so it is better to associate this with free thing like islam.
Saudi Arabia as a potential enemy is an interesting thought. The whole Shia vs. Sunni thing. One has to wonder how Islam intends to create a huge Muslim state when it’s own internal factions can’t get along.
u are wrong on this one. no one is creating a single state except terrorists.
the only way for russia to overcome its caucses problem is to make iran powerful enough that not only it project power thorugh ( also control of irak, division of arabia) out middleast but also outside.
lmao more display of stupidity from our beloved oracle, can u actually read english? were does it say the third submarine has yet to be constructed genius, that statement is just recapping on what agreement was. So by your logic the first and second agosta werent built as well in 2002 :rolleyes: because it says
In fact it even says the trials are to be set in 2004 for 3rd agosta even thou according to you construction hasnt started, so somehow pakistan can built and launch a submarine in 2 years by your logic right eh.
Anyway plz dont waste my time or bandwith by posting more rubbish and insanse analogys, unless you have strong evidence to prove me wrong which states when Hamza was launched and its construction date like i have here. This from proquest 2002 article:
proquest article does not mean that is credible.
use ur head.
how can Pak started construction of 3rd submarine before it even receive the first one from France? First u have to built infrastructure for submarine building than Train crews for that on first and second submarine than u can start ur own 3rdsubmarine.. but i dont think this simple logic can be put ur head. just like ur banging on F-22P armament from unofficial sources when later BABUR was shown.
sigh OFT but how many times do i have to repost the link over and over again construction of 3rd agosta started 1997 currently dcn is “hopeful” that it will completed by end of 07 (even thou it hasnt even be launched yet), 97 to 07 so that makes it what 10+ yrs?
read this report. it was from official ISPR and they state in early 2002 that third submarine is yet to be constructed. JDW report has no credility as far as this matter is concerned.
Source: Business Recorder, Jan 25, 2002
RAWALPINDI : The second Agosta-90 Bravo submarine will be ready for
trials in the next two months and will be commissioned in the Pakistan Navy
immediately after the trials, a top Naval official said.“The third sub would be put to trial after successful trials of the
second submarine”, Assistant Chief of Naval Staff (Operations), Commodore
Noman Bashir, said while answering questions during the concluding session of a two-day workshop for defence correspondents, arranged by the
Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) here.He said the second Agosta-90 “B” submarine was jointly being
constructed at Pakistan Navy Dockyard in Karachi by Pakistani and French experts.The first submarine, named “PNS-Khalid” had been commissioned in the
navy in last quarter of 1999, he said.“The first submarine, commissioned into the navy way back in 1999, met
all our expectations and the project has been progressing satisfactorily,” he
said.Commodore Bashir said under a deal, made by Pakistan for purchase of
Agosta submarines, it had been decided that the first submarine would be
constructed in France, while the French and Pakistani experts would build the second submarine jointly. The third submarine, under the terms of the agreement, was to be constructed in Pakistan for which the DCN, the manufacturers, would transfer complete technology, he added.The third Agosta “B”, to be built in Pakistan after transfer of
technology, was expected to be ready for trials by the end of 2004, he said.Though Pakistani experts would a build the third submarine, the navy
would have, at its disposal, advisory service of the DCN, he said.Commodore Bashir said the navy would also be able to export Agosta subs
to friendly countries after it achieved full expertise in manufacturing
the ship.He confirmed that a number of coastal navies in Gulf region had shown
interest in purchasing small submarines (midgets) from Pakistan. “We are fully
capable to construct these small submarines.“Knowing this capability of ours, the neighbouring as well as other
friendly countries have not only shown interest to buy midgets, but they are
also interested in placing orders for construction of Agosta- 90 “B”
submarines from Pakistan”, he said.-PPI
the point is not about approving a project but actually building the final product. i cant see first one coming out before 2012 if the deal is actually signed now. also there is difference between timeline written in contract and actual progress.
deal will be signed in paris next week do u even bother reading b4 you post. As for obsolete what the hell are you talking about the design is relatively new unless IN doesnt take like 10+ years to build a submarine like pakistan has taken for its 3rd agosta.
10 years for 3rd augusta? from where this nonsense comes from? the deal was signed in october 1993. so it is 12 year for the whole deal. and Pak has zero ability at that time to understake project of this magnitude. i bet India cannot build faster than this even now.
Air-launched stand-off systems in the class of the Denel-developed Raptor and MUPSOW families are understood to be in Pakistan Air Force service.
also note the janes report that standoff system sytems are in class of denel weopons. so it is not direct purchase but more of technology bought off.
The USA has made no negative comment. Neither has any other country. And no one, other than people on defence forums (Indians), have claimed this missile to have any connection to China or any other country.
thats correct. at this point Pak will not test any missile which has any kind of connection with china. US has put the harshest restriction on its most preferable ally Israel for dealing with china. so i dont think there is any truth of this missile connection with missile on sinodefence. the rules of game has changed. but this will jeoparadize F-16 deal in some other way.
any way the missile range and payload exceed MTCR regulation which if it is supplied from China than US would be jumping up and down. and this cannot be first test as it is in front of media any failure will result in embrassment.
The wings can be seen and are almost identical to that of the Babur, or though I will concede that we cannot see the tail or the inlet. The reason I believe that this weapon is not the sole product of pakistan is that pakistan has yet to demonstrate any form of technological level required to produce such a weapon, name me one indigenous high tech pakistani weapon, missile preferably that has not originally been brought from another country.
In future I would prefer it if you did not patronise me or criticise me for no paticular reason. I have not rejected everything you have said, and I am open to argument, but based on previous events I see virtually no way that pakistan could have developed this missile itself.
what is meant by technological level of similar product?
This early 21st century (not early 20st century) where u need to develop theories of modern missiles. why reinvent the wheel now?. the key ingredient of any successful project is to efficiently collect knowledge and materials and reproduce it according to own needs.
mass production of missiles and well trained force for effective operation is more important than trying to find the origin of tech behind it.
i dont have to explain every thing. PAF might not get the F-16 version which it wants so this will ultimately effect the end result.
i think this missile test might collapse PAF F-16 deal. and launching from ship or sub does not mean that it is going to be used in anti-ship role but mostly for land attack role. the missile fitted with JF-17 will be the primary anti-ship missile for PAF.
russia has signed for S-300PMU-2 for China so there exist some thing beyond that otherwise there wouldnt be export.