Which twin engine jets does PAF operate? :confused:

A-5C has two engines and is in active service.

“so accident should be two times considering other factors constant.”

Unfortunately, the other factors are not constant.

so u know the inside information about both airforces including pilot log hrs for each jet and how many jets are in overhaul during time. 😮

… or more because they couldn’t fly them at all due to lack of spares?Which twin-engine jets does PAF fly?

F-16s are and were always in operational. u can judge from that UAV accident and various show every year that this aircraft operational readiness is key component of PAF and they now knows how to maintain it.
about twin engine jet just guess. i dont think it is difficult to find.

PAF sets record of no air accident in 5 months

Our chief correspondent

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Air Force set a new record of no accident in the first five months of the current year, said Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat here Monday.

“There was no air accident except a ground accident when a compressor exploded,” he said.

He said last year PAF had four air accidents as compared to India’s 17.

Indian Air Force has already met five air accidents this year.

He said the excellence of no air accident in PAF was achieved because of a combination of factors including improvement in the supportability and technical management.

He said no F-16 accident took place in 10 years which itself speaks about the professionalism in PAF and the highest standards being maintained by its officers.

He said more and more efforts are being made in training of pilots, who could improve their skill in “emergency handling.”

He quoted an example when both the engines of a jet failed three miles away from the runway and normally pilots are instructed to eject in this situation but the pilot of that jet managed to land safely with one landing gear still in the process of being opened.

“Of course the luck factor was there,” said the air chief.

He said, “It was due to combination of factors that we have achieved new record of zero accidents from January to May 2005.”

look who is speaking. my $2.5B prediction come very close to $3B of the air Chief so person who mentioned $5B figure should eat his words by now. and it also gives the indication of funding not all taken by PAF as mentioned by member with almost worthless sources. [GA are u listening]and JF-17 is the best thing happened to PAF nothing come close to it thats why they said there will be no rival to it in BVR fight.

Saadat flies by F-16 deterrence value

Acquisition of jets won’t bridge imbalance with India, admits air chief

By Shakil Shaikh

ISLAMABAD: The US would complete the process of approving Pakistan’s request for 75 multifaceted F-16 Fighting Falcons by September or October, hoped Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat here Monday.

“It’s not a done deal either way….we want 75 advanced version Falcons of which 50 to 55 must be Cs and Ds class and others may be used but upgraded ones,” he said.,

He was giving an interview to The News/Jang panel comprising Fahd Hussain (Editor, The News, Rawalpindi), Shakil Shaikh (Chief Reporter, The News, Rawalpindi), Hanif Khalid (Chief Reporter Daily Jang) and Rana Ghulam Qader (Staff Report Daily Jang) at his Air Headquarters office.

He said, “Pakistan has already rejected the offer of 25 F-16 jets by the Americans.” Saadat said even with the arrival of Falcons, disparity gap of the fighter jets between India and Pakistan would not be bridged. “But we should have an air force with deterrence value, as a few dozen Falcons would not be acceptable to us.”

The General Dynamics F-I 6A and two-seat F-I 6B were succeeded in 1983 by the F-I 6C and two-seat F-I 6D, with new radar, totally upgraded avionics, a new cockpit and many extra items including two Lantirn pods filled with infrared, laser and other types of sensor which assist in night attack. Pakistan, the air force chief said, would like to have as many F-16 Falcons as it is possible given the ground realities. “We want a number of multi-role Cs and Ds F-16 Falcons which restore our original capability.”

One F-16 would cost Pakistan around $40 million and probably the money would be paid from the aid package, as 75 F-16s would cost Pakistan a huge amount ($3 billion).

“We are not in an arms race with India, as Pakistan wants to give peace a chance which should not come through weakness but a position of strength,” said Saadat.

Clad in his uniform, the Air Force Chief said Pakistan has not given up its other options like Grippen jets, though “the option of Mirage-2000-5 is almost given up as the French people are now aggressively marketing their Rafale aircraft.”

Justifying Pakistan’s quest to acquire 75 Fighting Falcons from the Americans, Saadat said: “Our effort is to have deterrence value and if an enemy aircraft intends to violate our air space, the incoming flying machine must be shot down or we must have the capability to give a matching response.”

He believed that Pakistan Air Force should be good enough to give a fight that hurts the enemy.

“Effective fleet of aircraft with good weapons and avionics can make the difference in modern warfare where one is not required to send land forces like in the past to occupy enemy land…now it is the war to see how much damage can be caused to the enemy.”

Saadat said the key purpose of an air force is to cease, move and destroy enemy things and realising this the government at the highest level has allocated sufficient funds to it with maximum allocation made out of three services.

“With changing concept of warfare, the PAF is very much equipped with giving the enemy a good fight and it depends on a combination of factors,” he maintained.

Saadat said it is not an easy thing or immediate possibility to produce high-quality equipment through indigenisation, as this process of indigenisation is very, very slow and it requires huge investment, and an organised structure.

“It would be our wishful thinking to start producing high-quality military hardware and weapons.”

He said the government has already approved a 10-15 years integrated plan for the country’s forces and PAF was given the best deal for which we should be proud of.

He said JF-17 Thunder, a Pak-China joint venture, induction would prove best for the force, as there is no prize for a runner up in the war.

“We can go further in avionics and other things once the production of JF-17 starts…it’s an extremely good and important project,” said Air Chief Marshal Saadat, who succeeded as chief of air staff on March 18, 2003 following the demise of Mushaf Ali Mir in an air crash.

“JF-17 will be better than all the existing aircraft – Mirages, A-5 and F-7. These are in no way close to it,” he said adding, “it will replace all these aircraft.”

JF-17 Thunder will be a mid-tech aircraft and within a couple of years it will be produced as test flights have already run.

He said Pakistan was offered to buy Hawkeye E-2C but it is unlikely that the PAF would opt for it, though a long list of weapons were handed over to the Americans and it would take some time to go through a process before the final decision is taken by the US administration.

He said no breakthrough is achieved with Russia in arms purchase and it could only happen once India parts its ways with Moscow and look the other way.

He said no deal is being negotiated with Britain and that could only happen if they offer integrated system. “That is why, I am not going to Paris Air Show, nor did I visit London because the British make the excuse of American sanctions in that realm,” said Saadat.

He said the US sanctions are still there in view of the intellectual property rights and sensitive technologies. “The PAF has got no benefit out of non-Nato status given to Pakistan,” he said.

Responding to a question, he said he is not regularly flying. He said it is a sensational outing, and one is on his own after taking off

ISLAMABAD, 26 May, (SANA): A Ceremony was held at Islamabad to mark the “15 years of Co-operation” between Pakistan Air Force and SAGEM Company of France. Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, Chief of the Air Staff, was the chief guest on the occasion.

SAGEM is an international enterprise now with new name as SAFRAN Group. It is the third largest European Company in electronics for Defence and Security. It has been cooperating with Pakistan Air Force for avionics upgrade of Mirage fleet at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.

Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, Chief of the Air Staff, while addressing on the occasion said, “It would not be out of place here to acknowledge that the operational modification carried out in collaboration with SAGEM has significantly boosted the capabilities of Mirage fleet. And no less significantly, the technical expertise thus generated, has given PAF confidence to plan its future needs, with a more focused approach towards self-reliance.”

Earlier, Mr Jeen Luc Hidalgo, Senior Vice President, International Directorate SAGEM Defence Security said “Pakistan, through our involvement with PAF, has taught us that there are no ready-made rules, cast in concrete: we have addressed a new domain, shaped by unlimited vision, where impossible is not in the vocabulary. Together we have developed a unique and original response, which has become a reference for other Air forces around the world”.

The ceremony was also attended by His Excellency Pierre Charasse, the Ambassador of France and senior PAF Officers.
_____________

Have my lively contribution here: I really don’t know what’s all that hype about FC-1/JF-17! That plane is neither revolutionary, nor radical, nor impressive, nor competive, it is simply of aged and rather poor design. Take a look at it and you’ll know it’s a dud! They would have been better off with buying or stealing from Northrop the old F-20 blueprints!

ok show me any other plane with $15m price tag and only $500M development cost and carry active bvrs on multiple racks, anti-ship, anti-radiaiton, and is completely new and fadec engines with possible TVC engine upgrade. offcourse. It is selling point is not it has to be revolutionary in all aspects but in some. FC-1 will do fine against any 4th generation fighter assuming it is equiped with proper avionics, radar and weopon system.

Ps. how much F-20 will cost in todays dollars assuming u dont build 4000 of them like F-16,

by The time IAF+Indian government takes some thing even close to Signing. both F-16 and F-18 will be obsolete. they better start negotiaiton for FB-22 now.