star49Either way, there’s no internal SLAR.
Now this is confusing. Targeting from SLAR is internal.
By John Fricker
Overhaul & MaintainenceIn December 1997, the United Arab Emirates became the third Mirage 2000-5 series customer with a $3.2 billion contract for 30 of an enhanced multirole Mirage 2000-9 version, plus upgrades by Dassault of its remaining 33 Abu Dhabi air force Mirage 2000DAD/EAD/SADs to similar standards. Further specific UAE upgrades accounted for the -9 redesignation of its new and rebuilt Mirage 2000s, due for delivery from 2002. Changes include enhanced air-to-ground/sea software for the uprated Thomson-CSF RDY-2 radar, with additional synthetic aperture and beam-sharpening modes; a new EW suite; and integration of MATRA BAeD’s longer-range Black Shahine development of the autonomous Storm Shadow.
Advanced avionics provided by Thomson`s Sextant subsidiary for the upgraded Mirage 2000-9s, claimed as a third-generation weapon system embodying some fourth-generation hardware, include a VEH-3020 HUD/head-level display and five liquid-crystal color multifunction cockpit displays, with optional provision for Sextant’s Topsight E helmet-mounted sight/display system. Thomson-CSF’s multimode receiver (MMR) integrates ILS, a microwave landing system and differential GPS in a single unit.
Other Thomson-CSF equipment includes a Type 2084 XR13 high-speed digital multiplex databus linking avionics inputs from twin 18-bit 64K computers, and a Sextant Totem 3000 three-axis ring laser-gyro INS with an embedded Topstar 1000 GPS board. Also featured are a CDU 2000 control and display unit, SC10/IDEE 1 IFF, AHV-17 radio altimeter, while an SCP 5000 communications system provides secure UHF/VHF voice and data transmissions for coordination of multitarget air-to-air engagements and C2 centers in air-to-surface modes.
The Mirage 2000-9’s proposed internally mounted new-generation integrated multi-mission electronic warfare suite (IMEWS), developed by Thomson-CSF Detexis and Italy’s Elettronica,includes the latter’s RWRs, as well as MATRA BAeD Spirale active jammers and Eclair cartridge-firing self-defense decoy systems. Also included are electronic intelligence (ELINT) and targeting from side-looking airborne radar (SLAR), as well as defensive capabilities, plus the usual provision for air-refueling with a detachable upper-nose probe
star49Ah, if it’s the PRESTO pod, then it’s not unique to the Mirage 2000-9. I thought you were trying to say there was an internal SLAR sensor in the Dash 9.
I think they have embed this pod capability in another pod.
star49😎 Therefore it should be equiping the Mirage F-1 CRs not the Mirage 2000-5F but it could be used of the export 2000-5/9 etc.
(Thomson-CSF Raphael SLAR 2000)
It has been exported with -Dash 9 this story comes from there. That Damocles is main pod.
Thomson-CSF is also working on a new Navflir pod intended for low-altitude, night/day navigation in poor visibility under adverse weather conditions. Navflir, which will enable 20km target detection and 10km reconnaissance, can be used in conjunction with Damocles by incorporating the Navflir pod into the same pylon as the designator pod.
star49From Jane’s All The World’s Aircraft 2004-2005:
Mirage 2000-9:
-M53-P2 engine
-RDY-2 radar with SAR and beam sharpening modes
-Thales Totem 3000 laser INS
-Elettronica IMEWS
-digital terrain systemNo mention of SLAR. Whoever first thought that one up either meant a podded system, or got it confused with SAR.
I think it is pod embeded with another one.
New recce systems for UAE Mirage 2000-9s. DUNCAN MACRAE, 1999
In addition to Damocles (see main story), Thomson-CSF’s optronics division is developing the Presto (Pod REconnaissance STand-Off) pod for daytime air reconnaissance missions, with real-time imaging. The French Air Force has ordered seven pods, currently undergoing qualification on the Mirage F1CR, with trials on the Mirage 2000D to follow shortly. The pod — which offers side-looking capability and can be fitted with an electro-optic or film camera — will equip French Air Force Mirage F1 CRs from 1999 onwards, and is designed to be adapted to a wide range of aircraft. Presto features a focal length of 610mm and is designed for operation at a range of 50km.
Currently designed for operation with a conventional film camera, Presto is due to be upgraded with a 10,O00-pixel CCD and high-speed recorder (240Mbits/s) over the next two years. Before going digital, however, Presto will be modified for increased operating flexibility, with a programmable version designed for autonomous target acquistion. Further in the future, the procurement executive of the French ministry of defence is looking to develop a new-generation pod. Preliminary design studies could be launched this year into a centreline pod for the Mirage 2000D and Rafale, offering day/night operation and a real-time datalink associated with an onboard recorder. Thomson-CSF is also working on a new Navflir pod intended for low-altitude, night/day navigation in poor visibility under adverse weather conditions. Navflir, which will enable 20km target detection and 10km reconnaissance, can be used in conjunction with Damocles by incorporating the Navflir pod into the same pylon as the designator pod.
star49Dash-9 has SAR, noit SLAR. SLAR is a dedicated reconnaissance sensor, not a radar capability.
SAR means Synthetic aperture Radar. It has SLAR thats why i was differentiating it from -5MK2.
star49hey camel breath,
ever factor in the high boresight and envelope the Mica can engage targets in? it’s superior over to the latest AMRAAM, even though it is inferior in range, it has it’s weakness and advantages. Too bad children here think range is the only factor in determining the “best missile” while ignoring elements such as boresight, ECM, etc :rolleyes:
What has boresight do with BVR fight?
star49didn’t you say they were the same thing earlier? :confused:
Did i claim that i know this before?
star49Which F-16 and which AMRAAM? Certainly anyday better than AIM-120A/B
F-16MLU with AIM-120C5 or Block52+ with AIM-120C5.
star49all LOAL, active radar homing missiles – both AMRAAM and Mica – are capable of multi targeting. especially if the launching plane has the missile datalink (btw, something which RAF Tornado-ADVs lack.). So the statement on Mica winning due to multitargeting is applies to the Tornadoes/Skyflash only.
the dash-9 has SLAR?? come on that is something only on reconaissance planes. true only if it has a recon version. and what is “invisible lock on”? i suppose the RDY version it uses has LPI capability. well then the lock on certainly won’t be “invisible”. lock-on will still be detectable, only the probability of that happening is lowered. real LPI is achieved only via use of AESA radars.
thats what i was wondering about multi-target capability. Is MICA truely fire and forget so no need or datalinks. I think MICA seeker is of longer range than AIM-120A/B.
Dash-9 has SLAR and other all weather pod for hitting targets at 70 KM on ground and full use of Pave way III range at 50KM.
I am not sure about invisible lock on claim but in Aviation Week Dasssault is claiming.
star49in order to shoot the first you have to see it the first (with the radar).
I don’t think apg-68 is especially better at long range than a RDY.Mirage 2000 is better on instaneous perfs, and like it was said, looses energy more easiliy, but first this is relative, don’t think the plane looses start a turn a 23°/sec and then drops to 9°/sec, no it drops near 13-14°/sec with the falcon at 15°/sec.
if the plane are at high altitude then the mirage has better turn rates.
About the acceleration the F-16 accelerates faster than the mirage till mach 1.4 then the mirage is better due to the nature of M-53 familly engines wich were designed for high mach persistence and altitude (mirage 4000, wich had same engines could fly at mach 2 for about 20 minutes sustained, and was able to accelerate for ground to mach 2/50k feet in 3 minutes).
RDY is longer range than APG-66(V2) but does it matter. missile ranges are shorter any way. RDY is probably equal to APG-68(V9)
Acceleration from Mach 0.4 to Mach 1.2 is all that matter for most of the interception. Beyond that these aircraft will burn there fuel.
Mirage 2000 has higher TWR and more fuel so it could do that.
star49star49, you are wrong. The Mirage is definitely more agile than a Lawndart, but only on first approach. Due to delta config, it losses kinetic energy during sharp turns rapidly. Ergo, you are better off in the Mirage as long as you are able to use the first chance you got. After you have missed, you are an easy prey for the poison of the Viper.
Acceleration comes under agility or speed? From dassualt site it takes Mirage 5 minutes to reach Mach 1.8 and 36000 feet but once it is there it is fast jet but initial response is slow as compared to F-16 or Gripen.
Regarding BVR fight there is report in Aviation Week about SA and US exercisies where later version of AIM-120 superiority is established over R-Darter ( Darter has similar range to MICA). So any F-16 equiped with AIM-120C will be the first to fire the missile due its greater range. So first shot is to F-16.
PS I am not saying anything about French tech. They are the top of the line in this busiess but this combination is not match to F-16 Amraam Combo.
star49Wasn’t Project 129 supposed to be related to the R-77, like it used the same seeker? The SD-10 is clearly different, though.
This is the only direct quote (alteast unnamed) i can find as of 2003. But this thing doesnt make sense why build airframe whose seeker, data links is foreign? and that later part of decade.
Project 129/R 129
With key technological support from Russia, China plans to develop a new active radar-guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile that could be fielded in the latter half of this decade. The programme, called Project 129 or R129, was previously associated with the purchase or possible licence-production of the Russian R-77 medium-range radar-guided air-to-air missile. However, Russian sources now say that while Project 129 will draw on critical technologies from the Vympel design bureau’s R-77, it will have an indigenously developed airframe.
star49No.1 give a source.
No.2 the excerpts are misleading unless we go into the details: Which Blocks of the F16 did the M2000 take on and under what conditions.
1.Article is written by this person. It came in July 2001 edition of Interavia
Second youth for the Mirage 2000. (Dassault Aviation) PIERRE CONDOM.
2. Since they donot mention the blocks(As if it matters). At that time only F-16MLU were present in most of NATO. Not sure about Turkish F-16s. But essentially all F-16 are similar tech.
And why condition matters? It is simple NATO leadership excercise. they dont need to hide tech that much from each other.
star49I think those F-16 are probably equipped with AIM-120B at most at that time. But it alteast blows apart the theory that more agile aircraft is better air to air fighter.
star49Relationship between R-77, SD-10, and Project-129.
keeps proping up every where.
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