star49-M/K model 4500KG is ver limited for twin engine fighter thats why MIG quickly wants to discard this thing.
Piotr Butowski,March 2002
When compared with the MiG-29, the advanced MiG-29K and -29M feature sophisticated aerodynamics and a digital fly-by-wire flight control system. The capacity of internal fuel tanks has been increased by 1700kg, and combat capability is substantially improved thanks to the Zhuk-M radar and new weapons. The MiG-29M/K can carry 4,500kg of weapons on eight underwing pylons, including four Kh-31A/AD (AS-17 `Krypton’) supersonic antiship missiles with a range of 100km and subsonic Kh-35U (AS-20 `Kayak’) missiles with a range of 130km, four Kh-31P/PD anti-radiation missiles with a range of 150km, as well as Kh-29T/TE (AS-14 `Kedge’) close-range TV-guided missiles and KAB-500 Kr bombs.Against air targets, the aircraft carries up to eight short-range R73 (AA- 11 `Archer’), medium-range RVV-AE (AA- 12 `Adder’) or extended-range R-27E (AA-10 `Alamo’) missiles. The series version of the aircraft will have two small wing-tip rails for two more R-73 missiles. In the future, the MiG-29M will be equipped with thrust vectoring(but not the shipborne version because of more stringent reliability requirements), as well as with the improved Zhuk-MF radar with electronic scanning. Equipment and armaments for the new versions of the MiG-29 are currently being tested on a small number of experimental aircraft.
The most urgently needed version is the MiG-29M2 for Malaysia. In 1995, Malaysia purchased 18 MiG-29s and now, through the Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) tender, it intends to purchase more advanced two-seat fighters. The MiG-29M2 demonstration aircraft (reworked and upgraded MiG-29M #154 built in 1990) flew on 26 September 2001, and between October and December it visited Malaysia, Venezuela and Eritrea, where it was shown to potential buyers.
star49That’s also over a year old, they might have been using inaccurate information pulled from somewhere.
It is one year old unlike 4 year old other article. There was another article at that time mentioning 14 stations or they referring to some kind of multiple rack.
star49This report point towards 14 external stations and there is no mention of R-77
May 20, 2003
(From New Straits Times (Malaysia))KUALA LUMPUR, Mon. – The Government has agreed to buy 18 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30MKM Flanker fighter jets for the Royal Malaysian Air Force under a package deal worth US$900 million (RM3.42 billion).
Defence Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the deal proper would be made later this year, possibly during the proposed visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“We have thus far agreed in principle on the technical specifications of the aircraft and the financial aspects of the purchase,” Najib said at a Press conference at his ministry in Jalan Padang Tembak.
Also present was Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Ivanov, who is on a three-day visit here as part of a bilateral meeting centred on talks on defence industry co-operation.
“There are other formalities, including the direct and indirect offset packages, to be settled.” Najib said the 18 multi-role combat air-craft (MRCA), specially customised to Malaysian specifications (thus the “MKM”), would be delivered in early 2006.
“We decided to select the Su-30MKM as it is the most suitable MRCA to fulfil the requirements of the RMAF, which needs advanced fighters to enhance its capabilities.
“The purchase is also part of the modernisation of the RMAF, which is moving into a new dimension.” Najib also said that Russia would look into the possibility of assisting the RMAF in upgrading its two squadrons of 18 MiG-29N, purchased in 1994.
“At the same time, we will also seek technical support for both the MiGs and Sukhois from India, another major operator of the Russian jets.” Najib said Malaysia welcomed Russia’s co-operation to develop the country’s defence and anti-terrorism capabilities.
“There is an avenue for us to exchange intelligence and information on these matters,” said Najib.
Malaysia is also expected to purchase a similar number of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets from Boeing of the United States.
Should both the Su-30MKM and Super Hornet deals be realised, it would make the RMAF one of the most modern outfits in the region.
The Su-30MKM, an upgraded version of the Su-27, is powered by two AL-31F turbofan engines, designed by the Lyulka Engine Design Bureau (NPO Saturn).
It could also be fitted with the AL-31FP engine with thrust-vectoring nozzles, just like those fitted to the MKI variants currently operated by the Indian Air Force.
The aircraft could be equipped with a 30mm GSh-301 gun with 150 rounds of ammunition and a range of missiles, rockets and bombs mounted externally on 14 hardpoints.These include air-to-air missiles carried by the aircraft, such as the R-27R1 (Nato designation AA-10A Alamo-A), all-aspect medium-range missile with semi-active radar homing and R-27T1 (AA-10B Alamo-B) with infrared homing and a range from 0.5 to 60km; and R-73E (AA-11 Archer) all-aspect, close-combat air-to-air missile with infra-red homing and a range from 0.3 to 20km.
Its systems include infra-red search and tracker, laser range-finder, radar, and helmet-mounted target designator that provides detection, tracking and attack capability.
Ivanov said his deputy, Mikhail Dmitriev, who accompanied him, was leading a high-level military and technical delegation to iron out the finer details in the Sukhoi purchase programme for Malaysia during the on- going talks here.
“These include the legalities, and terms and conditions on after-sales and support services to ensure the continued serviceability of the air- craft,” he said.
“Also to be discussed are the research and development, and transfer of technology facilities.” He added that the major purchase conditions were agreed upon by both parties.
“The aircraft purchase is a culmination of the visit by your Prime Minister (Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad) to Moscow several years ago.
“The aircraft purchase package, although not large, is very significant for a long-term business partnership and other bilateral deals between both countries, including that of space technology.
“For Malaysia, I believe the purchase will attach great promise to develop the country’s economy now that Malaysian-Russian trade is on the increase.” On Russia’s perception of the terrorist threat in Malaysia, Ivanov said Malaysia had a sound security and stable political climate that encouraged countries like Russia to do business with.
“I am satisfied with the current situation and convinced of the counter- terrorism efforts undertaken by your Government.
“On our part, we are prepared to assist Malaysia in this aspect, including providing training and conducting joint military exercises.” One of the proposals was for the Royal Malaysian Navy to participate in joint exercises in the Indian Ocean, where Russia has a large fleet presence
star49“The 25 tonne Su-30MKI has eight hard points to carry another eight tonnes of missiles and bombs. This will cost money. ”
Actually, it’s twelve. If he doesn’t know what aircraft he’s talking about, it is possible his financial figures aren’t first-rate either.
this article is really old. -MKM has 14 so your 12 figure is also wrong.
star49This should further clarify it. It does not include foreign Avionics with Thales, Avitronics and Sagem Sextant etc. I cannot find anything related to these about MKI.
Langkawi, Malaysia, 2 October: Russia will profit by about 1.5bn dollars from supplying a large shipment of Su-30MKM multifunctional fighter jets to Malaysia, Russian ambassador to Malaysia Vladimir Morozov told Interfax-Military News Agency at the LIMA 2003 international arms show on Thursday [2 October].
“We have made tangible progress in military-technical cooperation with Malaysia. This is a large and very important contract. It is worth approximately 1.5bn dollars, including the offset programme,” Morozov said. It is now important to deliver the jets on time and to open a service centre in Malaysia, he noted.
Source: Interfax-AVN military news agency web site, Moscow, in English 0902 gmt 2 Oct 03
star49Even Moscowtimes is supporting my price.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stori…/03/01/041.html
Monday, Mar. 1, 2004. Page 5
Makers of Sukhoi Lead Arms Exporters
By Lyuba Pronina
Staff Writer
Reaping more than $2 billion in revenues last year, Sukhoi fighter jets maintained their position as the country’s top arms export item, according to a report to be released Monday.
State-controlled Sukhoi tops the list of 20 defense companies that agreed to provide their 2003 financials to the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a Moscow-based independent defense think tank that has compiled annual ratings since 1999.
Despite the strong showing of Sukhoi, which capitalized on contracts with China, this year it is likely to be bumped from that spot by fighter manufacturer Irkut Corp., the authors of the report said.
“The top five companies remained roughly the same and Sukhoi continued as No.1,” Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy head of CAST, said Friday.
The companies, in descending order, are Sukhoi, tank maker Uralvagonzavod, Irkut, and aircraft engine makers Salyut and Ufa MPO.
The MiG corporation dropped from No. 5 in 2002 to No. 14 in 2003.
Both Sukhoi and Irkut manufacture Sukhoi fighters.
Sukhoi reported $1.5 billion in revenues for last year, up from $1 billion in 2002.
Privately managed Irkut ranked third, reporting $502 million in revenues, down from $528 million in 2002.
But thanks to contracts with India, Irkut may well surpass Sukhoi as the No. 1 exporter this year, Makiyenko said.
In 2004, Makiyenko said, Irkut can expect sales of approximately $800 million from deliveries of 10 Su-30MKIs to India.
Irkut will also benefit when India begins assembly of 140 of the same jets under a $3.3 billion license agreement sealed in 2000.
This month, Irkut, which is majority-owned by its management, will bring 20 percent of its shares to the MICEX and RTS exchanges in the first initial public offering by a defense firm.
Next year it is aiming for a listing on the London Stock Exchange.
Unless new contracts are signed, Sukhoi can look forward to earnings of about $600 million for the delivery of 12 Su-30MKKs to China and four Su-30s to Vietnam, Makiyenko said.
Last year arms companies continued to depend on exports for the bulk of their earnings. For example, 95 percent of Sukhoi’s revenue came from sales abroad, the report said.
The company delivered only five Su-27-SMs to the Russian Air Force last year.
Yelena Sakhnova, an analyst with United Financial Group, agreed Irkut has a chance at coming in at No.1 this year, but estimates its earnings at $700 million.
Sakhnova said that while both firms will sustain export volumes in the short term, there needs to be serious investment into the research and development of new-generation systems to provide for a continuous growth in sales.
In a fourth straight record last year, Russia earned $5.4 billion from arms exports, but both Makiyenko and Sakhnova said they expect revenues to fall in 2004.
Uralvagonzavod, which came in second in the CAST ranking, earned $749.7 million in 2003.
This year it could drop out altogether, Makiyenko said, as the company has just completed a major delivery of tanks to India.
Aircraft engine makers No.4 Salyut and No.5 Ufa MPO earned $420 million and $406 million, respectively.
MiG, which dropped nine places to No. 14 in 2003, saw earnings fall from $281 million to $110 million.
MiG delivered 25 MiG-29s, including to Myanmar and Yemen, in 2002, Makiyenko said, but exports last year were considerably smaller.
Notoriously tight-lipped about exports, Tula-based Design Bureau of Instrument Building, or KBP, which makes anti-aircraft and anti-tank missile systems, for the first time agreed to provide information to CAST. It ranked No.7 with $250 million in sales.
Apart from Sukhoi fighters, Russia is scheduled to deliver a third Project 1135.6 frigate to India.
Two Project 636 diesel submarines will be delivered to China this year under a 2002 contract, Interfax quoted Vladimir Alexandrov, general director of Admiralteiskiye Verfi, as saying.
After Russia and India in January finally signed a $1.5 billion deal on the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, no more contracts of such scale are expected, Makiyenko said.
star49Something which will give you a LOT of information about the MKI project from the Indian Official …..
Is this your link?. It does not clarify alot of things.
This is a report by
N. Janardhana Reddy
Chairman, Public Accounts Committee
star49Now where to put that $1B infrastructure cost?
just to add some information i found out the rediff.com website posted the cost of the su-30 purchased by india to be RS. 1.61 billion and that over the years the life cycle cost to be Rs. 4.5 billion. per fighter….the breakup it gives is 300 hours before overhall TBO and 3000 hours before engine change. it also says that a total of us $ 1 billion will be required to set up the plant at nasik. the article was written by one maj gen mehta and i dont know wether it is totally correct or not.
http://inhome.rediff.com/news/2000/nov/17ashok.htm
The amortised per unit cost of the Su-30MKI will be a staggering Rs 1.61 billion. The up-front cost of the multi-role aircraft is the avionics and weapons fit. The 25 tonne Su-30MKI has eight hard points to carry another eight tonnes of missiles and bombs. This will cost money. That is not all. The hidden expenditure lies in the ownership or life-cycle cost, which in Russian aircraft is very high compared to the Western versions. The life-cycle cost of an Su-30MKI is likely to shoot up to Rs 4.5 billion.
PS. Assuming $1=Rs45 , Rs1.61 billion means aprox $36 mil and Rs4.6 billion mean $102 mil
star49HAL cost is 32 and includes the foreign components.. but does not includes the licensing etc..
IRKUT cost is 33.5 with components..
Package cost includes every damn thing in the name of project MKI.. support equipments/weapons/….. to sweets etc etc…
Unit cost does not include infrastructure cost to build them nor foreign components.
Irtut cost of 33.5 is based on what informtion?
and from Where the weopons and support cost comes from?
star49MKI is 33.5 .. unit cost.. not the package…
HAL unit build cost is $34M. But it does not include $3.3B licensing , foreign components and building factory.
similar is -MKM initial cost is $900M with Irktut but total cost goes up to $1.5B for 18 aircraft.
star49well, china’s 24 MK2s set them back over a billion big ones (but that might inculde things like weapons and spears, but there is no confirmed link to say one way or the other). dont think the MKI or MKM are that much more expansive. and for that kind of money, u can go european or american if u want.
besides, its not the first time vietnam has chosen the same ac type close on the heals of china.
guess they are no longer considering china as a major threat.
MKI or MKM cost atleast $70M a piece versus this $35M Su-30MK2. And there is no other Strike fighter with Russia in this price range. Su-30SKM is there but that also share tech with -MK2 and cannot lift all the weopons with Maxim take off wt (33 Ton Maximum reported untill this point). So this is the only logical choice for long range strike.
star49I dont think Vietnam can afford -MKI or MKM type fighter. and -MK2 is the current export standard for Su-30MK. Same basic fighter with integration of Anti-ship missile.
star49Can’t believe that Economics is that simple. 63 million Euro is 63 million Euro for EU not $84M other wise you have to inflate EU GNP by that much amount as dollar devaluation versus Euro. Also EF is the only or second fighter for most EU airforces. It cannot be said for US that F-22 is the only thing to buy.
Plus EF is gonna develop fully multi role fighter and is as effective in its role as F-22 if supported by all AEW , AIM-120C or Meteor. It is not that F-22 gonna carry more Air to air missiles than EF in one mission or use its gun to shot down extra plans.
star49I like this statement. It just proves Russians low opinion in aviation field about foriegn countrie.
No need for foreign investors’ role in new aircraft project – MiG director general
MOSCOW. Sept 22 (Interfax-AVN) – Valery Toryanin, director general of Russia’s MIG aircraft manufacturing corporation, said he sees no need for foreign investments to help finance a project aimed at developing an advanced fighter for export purposes.
“It is not advisable to attract foreign aircraft building companies only to help finance this project,” Toryanin told Interfax-Military News Agency on Wednesday.
Any foreign company’s role in research and development efforts to design a new combat plane will involve providing this foreign firm with access to around 50% of MIG’s technological know-how given the investor’s relatively small financial contribution, he said, adding that steps to sell this new fighter will have to take account of the investor’s interests in distributing deal royalties.
“Such distribution of deal royalties may cause a substantial decrease in the plane developer’s profits,” Toryanin said. In addition, foreign participants in the project will definitely demand the transfer of a substantial share in the future fighter’s mass production.
“MIG has everything that is required to create a future fighter on its own,” Toryanin noted.
star49Here is some more about Grifo Radar. Essentially providing 30% greater range than standard F-16MLU radar.
Flight International, July 18, 2000 p97
The Singapore Falcon ONE and Israeli Air Combat Enhancement (ACE) cockpit concepts mirror closely the Advanced F-16, incorporating three 127 x 178mm Astronautics MFDs. STAero has held partnership discussions with BAE Systems, which supplies the digital map display and HUD, and is offering a choice of the APG-66(V)2 or a new derivative of the Fiar Grifo F radar. The latter will have a 76 x 48mm array and a 30% greater detection range, says the Italian company
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