Well if you insist!
But I have read the Urdu report Nawa-e-waqt directly translated into english(The dawn link is not working) and there was lot of ambiguity in it. The reporter confused himself between a PGM and A2A missile. In another thread (or was it this thread) you urself quoted a range of 120 miles on the H4 and called it a PGm… I need to check that post again though, I am not sure.
Why I find it hard to believe is that the news report states that H4 is a indegenous missile which was directly on a moving target which IMO would be a rare in any other country. No booster tests, no propellant tests! Somehow I find it hard to believe.

The range is 120KM not 120 miles. and it is indigenously manufactured not designed and you have to keep in mind Pak traditions that only Successful tests are reported. Also there it is already developed from SHAV-3 (South african SAM). Also you think a little hard you will understand that S-7 project is not just about building aircraft or buying Russian or China tech.

Well nuclear weapons and BVR weapons are two different issues in that you dont practice with Nuclear weapons as often as you practice with BVR.
Anyway, the source you quoted doesnt say anything what technology is being aquired, may as well be SD-10 since it will come integrated with Thunder. If other BVR missiles are procured, they need to be integrated with the radar and if they are integrated it would be test fired and if its test fired it would be in News just like the H2 and H4. IIRC only one test each on H2 and H4 was done when it was covered in local news. am I right?

I just gave an example of how PAF or PAK deals with defence issues.
It is in the news. from April 2003. But PAF is deliberately confusing designations of BVR with PGM.
Note the words Indigenously manufactured not designed and ending air supermacy.

Pakistan tests air-to-air missile

From Our Correspondent

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan successfully test-fired an indigenously manufactured, air to air, anti-aircraft missile on Monday.

According to the credible sources, the missile, fired from a fighter jet, successfully targeted a flying object. This H-4 missile is made by a subsidiary organisation of NESCOM and it is the most advanced version of H missiles.

According to the sources the missile was fired on its target from a Mirage plane over the Arabian Sea. One of the salient feature of the H-4 missile is that it can hit even the out of sight target. The successful experiment of the air to air missile will go a long way in countering the enemy’s air supremacy.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/apri…/main/top10.asp

Son, i am not talking about what PAf can or cannot aquire. I am not interested in that. Is there any evidence that PAF AQUIRED any BVR weapons. Any news source will do.

Is this source not enough? PAF AVM himself stating publicly that PAF have the BVR technology. Rest assured that PAF does have BVR stored for IAF just like Nuclear capability stored for India since early 80s but shown in 1998.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/04/17/top6.htm
It was for the first time that two foreign pilots had flown a prototype aircraft in China. “We have now selected the BVR missiles for integration into the JF-17 Thunder. We made a breakthrough recently by acquiring the technology,” he said. He said the JF-17 would also carry H-2 and H-4 bombs.

here is found some thing about propose MIG fighter. I think they are calling the new engine VK-10M but still it has to be developed and tested.

Russian fighter contest far from over: though Sukhoi has ostensibly “won” the competition to build Russia’s next-generation combat aircraft, many uncertainties still lie ahead. (Defence). Piotr Butowski

For a long time PAK FA had been considered a medium-size fighter, in between the present MiG-29 (with a normal take-off weight of 15-16t) and the Su-27 (23-24t). From this point of view, the selection of Sukhoi is surprising, since its proposed T-50 concept is a heavy fighter in line with the Su-27. From the scant information available, the T-50 appears to be a continuation of the Su-47 Berkut, but without the controversial forward-swept wing. The project submitted by RAC MiG is a tail-less fighter with a normal take-off weight of 18-19t, powered by two Klimov VK-10M turbofans, each generating 115kN of thrust.

The entire avionics of the aircraft, including fire-control sensors, data exchange, electronic warfare, self-defence, navigation, and communication systems will be integrated into a single system with common information field. The armament control subsystem will consist of combined electronically-scanned radar, electro-optical sensors and helmet-mounted sight and display.

Radar proposals

Two companies–NIIP (Zhukovsky) and Phazotron-NIIR (Moscow)–are working on radar technology for the new fighter, with each company adopting a different approach to the project. The basic requirement is all-round coverage in azimuth, while the fixed antenna of a phased array radar “sees” only 50-60[degrees] to each side. This dilemma can be solved in two ways. The first solution–proposed by Phazotron-NIIR and adopted by Sukhoi for its T-50 project–is to use three fixed antennae in the nose: one large front antenna and two smaller side ones, similar to the solution adopted in the N014 radar for the MiG 1-42 tighter. The total coverage zone of these three antennae is 120-140[degrees]. The “missing” 40-60[degrees] in the rear is covered by a small radar installed in the aircraft tail.

In the competitive proposal of NIIP, the front radar has only one antenna, but installed on a movable post that can be deflected by 40-50[degrees] and covering about 100[degrees]. This concept has already been applied by NIIP in the N011M and Bars-30 radars for the Su-27M (Su-35) and Su-30MKI. Nobody denies the advantage of active phased array antenna in the long term, but NIIP believes that a passive antenna should be used initially. Phazotron-NIIR says that it is capable of developing the radar with an active antenna in a shorter timeframe.

PAK FA will be designed to carry all contemporary and future types of tactical air weapons, including the long-range K-37M and K-100, medium-range K-77M and dogfight K-74 and K-30 air-to-air missiles, as well as Kh-59M, Kh-31, Kh-36, Kh-38 and other air-to-surface missiles. It is also very probable that the aircraft will be armed with medium- and extended-range cruise missiles such as the Kh-SD (Kh-65). The basic weapons load will be carried in internal bays. Much attention has also been paid to stealth features.

RELATED ARTICLE: AL-41F the frontrunner in PAK FA engine contest.

The engine for the Sukhoi T-50 is likely to be a modification of the Lyulka-Saturn AL-41F turbofan engine installed in the MiG 1-44. This engine has already undergone a considerable range of tests, including flight tests on a Tu-16 testbed and then on a MiG-25P, reaching 2,000km/h at an altitude of 20,000m. The AL-41F was shown for the first time (with the fan masked) during the MAKS’2001 show at Zhukovsky. No information is available beyond a general comparison with “former-generation engines” (presumably the RD-33 on the MiG-29 and the AL-31F on the Su-27), according to which the specific weight of the new engine has been reduced by 15%, specific fuel consumption by 10-13%, and the total cost of operation over the design life time by 50%. From other sources we know that maximum thrust with afterburning amounts to about 180kN, for a dry weight of 2200kg. Lyulka-Saturn is preparing several development versions of the AL-41F with thrust ranging from 100kN to 250kN.

Projects of new engines for PAK FA are also being prepared by the Soyuz engine design bureau in Moscow. The company is working on two designs–the R179M-300 (offering about 200kN of thrust) and the R145-300 (about 160kN). These engines are considerably advanced because they use design solutions bortrowed from the R79-300 engine prepared in the 1980s for the Yak-41 VTOL fighter. This is also their disadvantage, however: they are deeply rooted in the former generation of engines. Moscow’s Salyut and Perm’s Aviadvigatel are also working on next-generation fighter engine projects. However, the AL-41F remains the most probable choice. Meanwhile, the Klimov company in St Petersburg is designing the 115kN VK-10M turbofan for MiG’s project, as well as for MiG-29 modernisation projects.

Sukhoi T-50 specifications (estimated)

Dimensions
Wing span 15.5m
Length 23.2m

Weights
Take-off, normal 24,000kg
Maximum 33,000kg

Performance
Maximum speed 2,500km/h
Supercruise Mach 1.6-1.7
Mission radius 1,200km
Range with internal fuel 4,000km

Ofcourse one can easily blame rogue elements for selling the technology when Indian protests(money is involved) and this article cleary states this missile is first to be inducted on Mirages followed by JF-17.

Asia Africa Intelligence Wire, Dec 18, 2003 pNA
PAK-MISSILES.
Pak Air Force inducts BVR missiles Islamabad, Dec 18 (PTI) Pakistan Air Force has inducted H-4 Beyond Visual Range missile which could strike a target from a distance of 120 km without visually citing it, evading enemy radars.

“It is a step towards adding the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles to our arsenal for defensive purposes and to address the strategic imbalance in the region,” Pakistan daily Dawn quoted PAF officials as saying.

The officials claimed that that the missile was developed by the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), which works in close collaboration with Pakistan Missile Organisation and the Air Weapons Complex.

“Three successful tests of H-4, with the latest conducted this year, produced satisfactory results leading to addition of arsenal in the fighter jets,” they said, adding the missiles were modified version of the South African T-Darter BVR missiles.

The PAF claims to have H-2 BVR missiles which could hit targets up to 60 km.

Reports of Pakistan seeking the BVR technology appeared in the South African media. In the face of protests from India, the South African government blamed “rogue” elements to collaborate with Pakistan to develop BVRs.

PAF officials said the H-4 missiles which was an infra-red device and comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and Python 4 missiles of the IAF would be fitted on to the PAF’s Mirage aircraft until the induction of new plane JF-17 Thunder, jointly developed by Pakistan and China, in 2006.

Dude, ever hear about VK-10M ??

MiG-29M2 is the medium fighter to be seen in. Be there or be square.

hearing does not translate into real thing. TVC equiped MIG-29 is called MIG-29OVT. and TVC is not an advantage in case you are comparing BVR or Strike potential of aircraft. In case of WVR its advantage is Maybe.

“Participants in the new fighter development program and the main developer (the MIG corporation – Interfax-AVN) signed documents on work arrangement and principles of its funding using the project participants’ own funds late last year,” Novikov said.

Basically 1000hr MTBO and 2000hr life currently achievable.

Service life of MIG-29K engines, delivered to India, to be considerably extended

ST.PETERSBURG. April 28 (Interfax-AVN) – The Klimov plant is working on considerably extending the service life of RD-33MK aircraft engines to be mounted on MIG-29K Fulcrum shipborne fighters, being delivered to India, Klimov Plant Designer General Vladimir Shirmanov told Interfax-Military News Agency on Wednesday.

“The Indian side demanded a two-fold increase in the service life of the RD-33MK aircraft engine,” he said.

Shirmanov noted that this task would primarily depend on the Moscow-based Chernyshev Engine-Building Enterprise, which mass- produces the engine in question.

“The All-Russian Light Alloys Institute has already proposed new technologies for manufacturing components of the engines. However, the technologies proper have been tested only by this institute. Much will depend on the Chernyshev Enterprise’s introducing these technologies to series production,” Shirmanov says.

He noted that the engine to be mounted on the MIG-29K shipborne fighters was a modification of the RD-33 engine of the 3M series. The engine boasts an anti-corrosive coat over the gas- air duct, which protects its components from seawater vapor. The engine is designed to operate in adverse (tropical) weather conditions. In addition to that, the RD-33MK will be fitted with a fuel jettisoning system, a smokeless combustion chamber, and an emergency takeoff mode.

While the maximum thrust of the engine in the non- afterburner mode totals 5,040 kgf, in the full-afterburner mode its equals 8,300 kgf, while in the emergency takeoff mode it amounts to 8,700 kgf. The weight of the engine has been reduced by 100 kg by fitting the engine with the BARK-88 automatic adjustment and control unit.

RD-33 engines of the second series feature a mean-time- between-failures of 350-700 hours, and a design service life of 1,200-1,400 hours, while RD-33 engines of the third series boast feature a mean-time-between-failures of 1,000 hours, and a design service life of 2,000 hours.