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this from PAF. Basically stating that $10M F-16MLU is equal to $50M Mirage 2000-5. Neverthless F-16 and Mirage 2000 class aircraft usefullness is untill 2015-2020. So who needs new planes.

From the military point of view F-16s fall in the class of French Mirage 2000s and Russian Mig-29s. The French Rafale, Russian Su-30 and Swedish Gripen are supposed to be superior platforms. Nevertheless the addition of 28 F-16s in PAF’s inventory would have an immediate and substantial impact on its capability, especially in the air defence role.

With the availability of established in-country first, second and third line maintenance facilities of F-16s and of trained pilots and maintenance staff, the assimilation of these aircraft would be smooth and rapid. An addition of 28 F-16s, hopefully followed by another 43 (71 F-16s had been ordered by PAF in 1988) would help reduce the yawning technological gap with the IAF and greatly improve Pakistan’s conventional deterrence – a factor very critical now that both Pakistan and India are overt nuclear weapon states. And this enhancement of PAF’s deterrence will be achieved at a fraction of the cost of purchasing a new weapon system of a similar class like the French Mirage 2000-5s. The 28 F-16s are priced at less than three million dollars a piece in the international market. Their mid- life update would cost about seven and a half millions per piece making their unit cost to about ten million dollars. A comparable plane from Europe would cost at least five times as much, besides taking a much longer period for full assimilation.

Regarding JF-17 he is essentially agreeing with my point. It is equal to any legacy fighter in Air to air combat barring Stealthy F-22 and Spectra equipped Rafale.

The programme is on course and on target and is expected to meet all specifications. Its induction will provide a very capable swing role plane to the PAF. The Thunder may be classified as a ‘Medium Tech’ plane when compared to USAF’s F-22 and French Rafale, but in the India-Pakistan scenario especially in the air defence role it should serve the nation well for at least two decades. Its advanced AI radar, avionics, defensive suites and BVR capability would make it a very potent aircraft against any IAF can field. In addition to the Thunder, PAF is in the market for a limited number of high tech planes from USA or any other Western source. Their induction would enhance PAF’s ability to threaten the adversary’s key economic and infrastructure targets. Such capability is considered essential to deter India from targeting Pakistan’s strategic and economic assets

About Mirages full all weather Strike ability with defensive suite.

PAF Mirages are the workhorse of the fleet and are saddled with both offensive and defensive missions. Their main drawback was the lack of sophisticated airborne intercept (AI) radars and all aspect air-to- air missiles. Through painstaking research and staff work PAF succeeded in re-equipping a substantial portion of its Mirage fleet with AI radar whose performance eclipsed that of the F-16 radar. Modified to carry the all aspect heat-seeking air- to-air missiles, excellent AI radar, addition of defensive electronic suites and the speed to match the adversary, the PAF Mirages have been converted into potent air defence platforms. In addition, incorporation of specialized electronic sensors has converted a number of them to very effective night strike aircraft, capable of reaching the target and delivering its load with a very high degree of accuracy. For the first time, PAF had developed an effective night strike capability that provided it with an added offensive potential it had lacked hitherto. And to reduce the numerical disparity, a fair number of Mirage airframes and engines were purchased from nations that had mothballed and retired them, at a throwaway price. Many of these were refurbished and made fully serviceable, some through indigenous effort and some through foreign contractors.

Where dod you hear this? Any more info on this?

This is information but i dont agree with there F-16E radar range it is alot more than that.

Author: Vladimir Ilyin
Source: Aerokosmicheskoye Obozrenie, No. 2, 2004, pp. 42, 43

[The N029 radar aiming system (better known as Osa) is the world’s first phased-array radar system suitable for mounting on light airplanes. The system with weight of just 120 kilograms and volume of 150 cubic decimeters can track up to eight targets simultaneously and support firing of missiles with radar homing warheads at four of them.]

<> OSA STARTED HUMMING

(…) The N029 radar aiming system (better known as Osa) is the world’s first phased-array radar system suitable for mounting on light airplanes. The system with weight of just 120 kilograms and volume of 150 cubic decimeters can track up to eight targets simultaneously and support firing of missiles with radar homing warheads at four of them. The system can work not only with air targets but also with ground and sea targets. So far the Osa is the lightest and most compact radar possessing the highest efficiency in its class. (…)

Work on integration of the Osa into the MiG-29BT double-seat multifunctional fighter, a modernized version of the MiG-29UB combat-training airplane, has been restarted. (…) After the modernization the MiG turns from a combat-training airplane capable only of close-range maneuverable air battle in simple weather conditions at direct visibility distance into a powerful multifunctional fighter capable of long-range missile warfare and elimination of ground targets regardless of the time of the day and weather. Besides equipment with the new radar all avionics of the airplane are also replaced. (…)

A number of technical solutions of the N029 allow detection of air targets of fighter class at a distance of 120 kilometers even with the present antenna with diameter of 460 millimeters. Use of antenna with an increased aperture will increase the target detection range to 150-160 kilometers. Thus, according to this important parameter the Osa will be superior to the newest American counterpart with an active phased-array being developed for the F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon 4++ generation fighter by Northrop Grumman. The American system detects a target of fighter class at a distance of 140-150 kilometers. (…)

The Yak-130 combat-training airplane will also carry the Osa. The Yak-130 is intended for deepened training of military pilots and for use as an attack airplane in local conflicts.

Designers of the Osa plan to unite two radars of various bandwidths within one radar system. For this purpose they will place compact active phased-array radar under the main phased-array radar and will integrate the other elements of the radar system to the maximum extent. As a result it will be quite realistic to create a compact and relatively inexpensive system representing actually two radars at a price and volume corresponding to 1.3 times that of the initial Osa. (…)

The miniature and inexpensive Osa possessing high technical and economic characteristics fits the needs of a number of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) very well.

(…)

Naturally, mounting on UAVs will require an insignificant modernization of the Osa. For example, there is a possibility to further reduce the weight and dimensions of the radar system

They may not want to wait for development of an indigenous engine to be completed. Just think where the LCA would be if India was waiting for the Kaveri-a hangar at Bangalore.

250 engines in 6 years is not a big deal.(Consider US peak production of F-16 with two engine manufactures) It is also possible that local engine aircraft are produced at the same time.

So which one is the fighter, Yak-133 or Yak-135? Any more info on this, as it seems this will in future become Russia’s only light fighter.

These are future plans. I think MIG-AT is out.

A fifth-generation aircraft will take to the air in 2007 as part of this strategy, he added. In 2005 the air force will take delivery of two new Tu-160 strategic bombers, and in 2006 it will receive its first new Tu-214 transport aircraft, which complies with all ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization] standards. In addition to that, “it has been definitely decided that the Yak-130 will be the air force’s combat trainer. It is still in trials and will take to the air soon.” There are also plans to upgrade the entire Su-27, MiG-29, Su-24 and Su-25 fleet

Source: ITAR-TASS news agency, Moscow, in Russian 1302 gmt 11 Dec 04

There are more threats in the way.

In fact, the Russian side was so clearly upset that every now and then its restlessness bordered on open blackmail.

Tension clearly mounted during the negotiations of the Russian minister and the president who came in a few days later. In fact, Ivanov flew over to New Delhi several days in advance to try and persuade the Indians of the necessity to sign an intellectual property protection accord. He failed. According to Ivanov, the talks culminated in the signing of only a protocol of a government commission for military technology cooperation. The sides pledged to complete negotiations over the accord within four months.

Ivanov himself evaluates it as a triumph. “India has refused to sign it for four years at a stretch. It agreed now and even cut down the preparation period,” he said. Blackmail must have accomplished its purpose. Still, to what extent New Delhi is prepared to take “Russia’s wishes” into account remains to be seen.

Someone give me whats the latest abt the said deal for AWACS and Gripen deal??…

is there any head way?

They are not going to make any decision untill F-16 and E-2 is resolved in one way or the other.

This is some thing from Russian industry source. FC-1 with TVC is possibility now.

ENGINE MANUFACTURERS ARE ON A BREAKTHROUGH
Large export contracts are expected
Àâòîð: Vladimir Karnozov

Èñòî÷íèê: Voyenno-Promyshlenny Kurier, No. 47, December 8-14, 2004, p. 4

[Prospects of engines researched and manufactured in Russia on the international market: engine-makers hope to get large contracts in the framework of projects which are underway now, particularly with India and China.]

<> LARGE CONTRACTS FOR SUPPLY AND LICENSED ASSEMBLY OF RUSSIAN ENGINES DESIGNATED FOR INSTALLATION ONTO PROMISING INDIAN AND CHINESE AIRCRAFT ARE BEING PREPARED

Against the background of a lull with the export sales of new Russia-made planes, there have been prepared large contracts for supply and licensed assembly of Russian engines designated for installation onto promising Indian and Chinese aircraft. A new trend is outlining in the arms exports of the Russian military industrial complex – advanced growth of the engine-manufacturing companies from Russia and Ukraine.

In the immediate outlook, this applies to the engines for military aircraft. In remote outlook, a considerable improvement is expected in the sphere of power installations for passenger and cargo aircraft, as long as the funding transferred to accounts of engine-makers from sales of military hardware are invested into new civil projects.

Expected within several next months is signing of export contracts for AL-31FN and AL-55 engines from NPO Saturn, AI-222 engines from Ivchenko-Progress and RD-33/93 engines from Klimov company. These engines have been selected respectively for J-10 Xiao-Long fighter of China, Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) trainer jet of India, Hongdu L-15 supersonic trainer-combat plane of China and FC-1 Thunder multirole fighter of joint Pakistani-Chinese production.

The talks are about to finish on some items; on other projects the tender committees are drawing out their decisions. In a number of cases, the Russian engine-makers were competing on equal terms with worldwide grandmasters (Snecma, Rolls-Royce, Pratt&Whitney and General Electric) and gained victory.

Yuri Lastochkin, general director of NPO Saturn told us that Il-76 military transports equipped with D-30KP engines are being successfully used in China. The further purchases of these planes and engines are expected to follow. “We are concerned for everything related to the Chinese market of trainer jets,” Lastochkin continues. A parametric line of engines with the thrust power of 2 to 4 tons has been created on the basis of the AL-55 engine with the nominal thrust power of 1,760 kilograms for unmanned aircraft, trainer jets, trainer-combat planes and assault planes. “The AL-55 engine was created as a simple, reliable and foolproof engine, which would compensate for errors of pilots,” Lastochkin says. The production is being developed at UMPO and Saturn has been supplying a module.

The AL-55 engine has already been selected for AJT plane. “The tender, Larzac of France and AL-55 engine being its participants, finished in early 2004. Preparations for the contract have been finished; adjusted have been the schedules and all specifications. The contract will be signed by the end of the coming year,” Lastochkin says. The contract envisages experimental development, a delivery of a batch of engines and handing over the license. The capacity of the Indian market exceeds 500 engines, given the licensed production. The company gained the upper hand over its French rivals thanks to better performance properties of the AL-55 engine combined with low price and the nice “history” of Soviet and Russia-made engines in India. In 2004, India has purchased an extra batch of 6 Il-76 planes from the Tashkent Aircraft Plant. Saturn has gained a contract for 24 D-30KP engines (above $40 million).

New-generation engine Kaveri for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is another promising project with India. Marshal S. Krishmaswamy, commander-in-chief of the Indian Air Force said earlier this year that testing of pre-production samples created in India and improved in Russia are being successful and are close to completion. There’s an opportunity that some units for the Kaveri engine will be produced in Russia.

The further expansion of cooperation between the Indian and the Russian industry is being linked to the licensed production of RD-33 engine. Engines of Series-3 with the service life of 2,000 hours will replace engines of previous series (with the service life of 300 hours) at MiG-29 fighters of India. A servicing and maintenance enterprise is being founded.

The RD-93 version of this engine with a low-positioned accessory box is envisaged for FC-1 fighter of joint Pakistani-Chinese production. Most likely, the first batch of 100 units will be supplied from Russia. Overall, this project is estimated at 500 engines, given the potential licensed production in China. In the future, the FC-1 fighter may become the major fighter in the Air Force of Pakistan. The prospects of FC-1 fighter in the Air Force of the People’s Liberty Army of China (PLAC) are not yet clear. The PLAC may order a batch of these planes in the upgraded technical appearance (with a China-made airborne radar station instead of Italian-made radar in Pakistani fighters). Applied at these fighters might be a version of the RD-93 engine with a jet nozzle, which is being tested at a prototype of MiG-29OVT plane.

The LFC-16 project, which was for the first time displayed at Air Show China-2004 by the Guizhou (GAIG) Group of AVIC 2, is a single-seat multirole fighter with the takeoff weight of 9 tons. It may carry the combat load of 3,500 kilos and gain speed equivalent to 1.8 Mach number. The plane is being created on the basis of a FTC-2000 (JL-9) Plateau Eagle supersonic trainer fighter (continuation of the MiG-21 fighter), which is being tested now. The LFC-16 plane is assembled according to the tri-plane scheme. Weichai Power WP-13F engine has been the baseline engine, while RD-93 engine may become the alternative engine.

The AL-31FN engine also might have some prospects in China. The second batch is being prepared for the first batch of 54 units. Initial customer’s demand has been assessed at 100-150 engines, which are required for equipping the first batch of J-10 serial planes. If line production of this promising plane is launched, this will entail mass deliveries of hundreds of AL-31FN engines.

The selection of Yakovlev Development & Design Bureau and Ivchenko-Progress company as consultants and suppliers of the engines for the newest L-15 trainer-combat aircraft could be regarded as a serious achievement of the domestic military industries. First displayed at Air Show China-2004, this two-seat supersonic aircraft (the Mach number exceeds 1.4) is being developed by the Hongdu Group, which is part of AVIC I Corporation. Displayed at the show was a full-size model. Its propulsion unit consists of two AI-222-25F engines (index F indicates the version with an afterburner). In the version researched in 2002, the L-15 plane will take its first flight in late 2005. The plane is designed for training pilots of Su-27/Su-30MK and J-10 planes. It may take maneuvers at the attack angle up to 30 degrees. The initial rate has been 240 m/sec, which is higher than at most of the fighters.

The AI-222-25F engine might be used at two new versions of À-5 Fantan plane (an assault plane on the basis of MiG-19 fighter), in particular the JAQ-5J trainer-combat aircraft, the flight testing of which starts in early 2005.

Together with MMPP Salyut and Motor-Sich, the design bureau of Zaporozhye has been developing two engine versions: -25F and -25KFK (short afterburner). They are actually afterburner versions of the basic AI-222-25 engine, researched for Yak-130 trainer-combat aircraft. In full afterburner mode the -25F version reaches the power of 4,200 kilogram-force, while -25KFK version – 3,000 kilogram-force. In addition to Chinese planes, the new engines are designed for Yak-133 and Yak-135 planes (projects developed on the basis of Yak-130 plane).

The D-436 engine also has nice prospects. This engine is being installed onto Be-200 planes (the D-436TP version), Tu-334-100 planes (the D-436T1 version) and An-18 planes (the D-436-148 version). In the future, its versions (specifically the D-436-TKh) may get to the Indian-Russian Transport Aircraft (IRTA), a.k.a. Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) and Il-214, MS-21 passenger jet by Yakovlev Development & Design Bureau and Ilyushin Company, as well as upgraded versions of An-74 plane.

Thanks to Egyptian and Libyan orders, the An-74 plane is becoming the best-selling dual-purpose plane of Russia. If the Kharkov State Aircraft Enterprise (KhGAPP) continues manufacturing it after 2006, the plane will require upgrade for compliance with Chapter 4 of the ICAO by the noise parameters and accuracy of air navigation. Installation of extra absorbing panels to serial models equipped with the D-36 engines may become a decision as far as the propulsion unit is concerned. Transition to the more up-to-date D-436 engine is a drastic option. Pavel Naumenko, KhGAPP general director told us that this transition is possible and is advisable if the engine-makers enable to have the D-436 engine certified in Europe.

The intention of three companies involved in the D-436 project (Motor-Sich, UMPO and MMPP Salyut) to launch the certification procedure in Europe on terms of risk sharing was first declared at the Hydro Air Show-2004. The value of issue was stated at some $5-8 million. Gennadi Sofin, technical manager of Motor-Sich told us at Air Show China-2004, that directors of the above three companies (Vyacheslav Boguchayev, Viktor Lesunov, and Yuri Yeliseyev) had agreed on the financing of the certification procedure.

At the moment, contacts have been arranged with the European authorities; underway is the discussion of technical and legal aspects, including the work schedule. It is yet to be decided whether the D-436TP version will be certified together with the D-436-148 version. The engine makers are working within a tense schedule. In the TP project hey want to outscore Rolls-Royce, so that the European version of the Be-200 aircraft be first launched with a Russian-made propulsion unit; the certification deadline is pressing on the -148 version: it has been late 2005 for AP-25 and 2006-2007 for JAR-25 standards.

According to Sofin, heads of NPK Irkut are displaying their keen concern for base version of the be-200 plane equipped with the D-436TP version, which is developed to fully comply with the European airworthiness JAR-25 standards, as an alternative for Be-200RR version with BR.715 joint German-British engines.

It is required to manufacture some 100-200 planes so that the Be-200RR project could pay off, which is “hardly feasible.” Given the lower price of the Russian-Ukrainian propulsion unit, some 50-70 sales are sufficient to pay off the Be-200/D-436 project. The Emergencies Ministry of Russia has already placed an order for 7 planes, with an option for 8 planes more; China is expected to order 10 planes more. The flying sample of Be-200 plane was displayed in China in late October, while General Andun Li, who headed the Chinese military delegation at Air Show China-2004, scrutinized this plane at the show.