Su-27SM has 4000km range. Su-35 with highpowered engines is 3600KM with 4 missiles. with airrefuelling range of 6500KM. Now there is 2500L/3000L external tanks for Sukhois. This shows how much they are emphasis on range.
and there is no mention of any new fighter in budget untill 2015. The performance gap between Sukhoi and MIG is increasing day by day. It will take massive financing for MIG to reach Sukhoi quality and experiance now.
Algerian already found of Su-30MKA and i doubt they will go with MIG-35 two or 3 years down the line when u have superior IRKUT built product in hand. (factory is Airbus parts already certified and preparing for MS-21 with black wing).
The only reason this MIG future is mentioned becuase there is that IAF tender which will drag this issue in media.

you clearly have no clue how modern J-11B is

so u post a link to factory site.

Actually, the tooling in the Chinese aircraft factories are much better than the Russian ones. Most of them are still using the Soviet era ones. But for some reason, the Russians still manage to pump them out in good quality. Says a lot of good things about the skill of the Russian work force.

from where this tooling information comes from? how they built SSJ, Su-35 and Su-34. show me the picture.

you are not saying much.

Use of the phrase “far more advanced” at this day and age should only be applied on 5th generation fighters.
by what sense is it that much more advanced. Have you seen what J-11B will be in 2 or 3 years when su-35 will really be ready for mass exports? Does su-35 use fiberoptics cable for communication? what kind of databus standard does it use? What kind of newer generation AAMs will actually be ready by then for the Russians and for Chinese?

Face it, you know very little about J-11B.

Su-34 has multiplex channels and level of avionics offered with MIG-35/Su-35are well known. China hasnt graduated from medium tech level. It is practicall 5thgeneration avionics on 4.5 generation airframe.

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/Su-35/
The distinctive feature of Su-35 is the employment of a new suite of onboard instruments. Its core is the information management system (IMS), which integrates functional, logical, informational and software subsystems into a single complex that ensures the interaction between the crew and equipment. The IMS includes two central digital computers, commutation and information devices and an indication system built on the “all-glass cockpit” concept.
The core of the Su-35 cockpit instrumentation suite are two full-color multi-function liquid crystal displays of MFI type, a multi-function panel with a built-in display processor, a wide angle collimatory display on the windshield and a control and indication panel.

To further clarify matter. $375m worth of microchip/memory products Radar and aerospace products were supplied last year from Sitronics.this does not even include another fab. Angstrem on 130nm process.
and next year they are going to 65nm for Miliatary use also. so can u point out anything similar on Chinese side and that include TSMC(taiwan) what is there military contribution?The amout and process for Military purpose?

http://insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?n=1&neID=20080514560.2_1c5c08c72c7c591f
The Radars and Airspace segments’ revenues increased by 36% year-on-year to $168 million in the fourth quarter, and by 50% to $375 million in 2007 as the result of an increase in the [bolimar] services performed on a number of government contracts

And possibly same questions regarding the construction of a 0.6 nanometer plant in Zelenograd. So I wondering how much do you plan to invest at this year and next year, and when do you expect first revenue from the project? What’s the IRR on this project?

Also, regarding this microchip facility, can we please confirm that this facility will not be allowed for the military use? That is what I was told at Sitronics. So they told me that this technology is for civil use only. Thank you.

ALEXANDER GONCHARUK: (interpreted) Thank you for your question. It is too vast; that will require three days to answer this question, but we will try to get it in three minutes.

First the simpler question. The plant which is to be constructed in Zelenograd for (technical difficulty) nanometers production, chip production, is intended for both military and civil purposes of products.

NADIA GODREVA: Sorry for interruption (spoken in Russian). Yes, sorry for interruption, but I’m specifically asking about whether it will be allowed for military.

ALEXANDER GONCHARUK: (interpreted) Part of these products will be for military purposes, as ordered by state. But the predominant part will part will be civil production.

Are you kidding? They got the capability to to build much smaller airbone radars than the A-50 one… Basically, even the MiG-31 can act as a kind of AWACS. And Sukhoi is working on UAV-based early warning systems as well. I mean, they mastered multi-clustered phased arrays a while ago, you know…

Smaller radar making capability does not necessary means introducing Saab/Hawkeye class platform for airforce. when radars becomes powerful enough fighter radar will take place of smaller awacs.

Oh dear. Where to start?
Firstly, Chinese creativity. Already addressed. Secondly, workforce. It’ll probably take ten years to soak up the rural underemployed, the rustbelt unemployed from Manchuria, etc., & the remaining overmanned state enterprises, & when that’s finished, there’ll still be immense scope for improving productivity, as much of the workforce is – and is likely to be for some time to come – working at very low productivity levels. Education levels are rising, skill levels are rising, investment in education & skills is rising, investment in new design is rising
Chinese economic growth will slow from its current hectic pace, but there’s no immediate prospect of the economy “going south”.

It is certianly not 90s.
There is process called reverse globalization that has started not because of regulations but due to rising cost of transportation and materials. every country will built manufacturing capacity nearby.

http://www.reuters.com/article/innovationNews/idUSL2656867920080526
Russian steel companies, with cash to burn from record profits, have accumulated almost 10 percent of the steelmaking capacity in the United States, betting the world’s largest economy will ride out a global credit crunch

China would not be able to send steel to US with time giving huge profit margin to russian companies. they figured that out in 2004..
Moreover rising labor cost along with energy and material will slow down Naval buildup. At most China can afford One aircraft carrier. And certainly it cannot offord fleet of Supersonic bombers, Strategic transports in hundreds. Neither can it build by themselves or afford to buy it. just look at titanium and aluminium price. Sukhoi/Illysin/Antonov/Tupolev will have price and technology advantage.

What a joke. prove it.

why u need proof for some thing on knaapo website

Really which web site? Show it. From what I know they want the airframe lifetime requirements to match that of the F-16.

life time requirement of F-16? where this comes from. It is official website with 4000hrs. Not ur speculation.

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LOL. AMD manufactures chips with the help of TSMC, which is now starting to produce at .45nm (China SMIC is now 0.9nm going to 0.45nm, Russia has not even begun at the 0.9nm). You are just planning to build 6″ wafers, SMIC is now doing 12″ wafers. TSMC manufactures for nVidia while UMC makes for ATI, both ATI and nVidia are companies with very strong Chinese connections (their founders are), and their GPU designs are so advanced that NASA is taking a look at them for potential supercomputer applications. Yeah, your gaming chip is doing teraflops.

I posted certain links that were deleted becuase of that Hyper complaining. It shows whole sale transfer from outside. ultimately u will lose in 450mm sector as cost of going beyond certain point is unaffordable unless u have certain mtheos.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20080527063855_TSMC_Predicts_Chip_Price_Increase.html
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. on Tuesday said it may raise prices of high-end chips it makes due to increasing oil prices, inflation and necessity to invest into next-generation production equipment

Your Sitronics/Systema is acquiring companies but what you don’t know is that they’re using bank loans to do it. Which puts them more into debt.

They will not go under as the are the front end of Russian government for leapfrog others in technolgies. they arent only for selling on retail. they can always increase the price of natural resources around the world.

And later, the Russians were surprised that the fit and finish of Chinese made J-11s were superior to their own, citing the superior machine tools the Chinese were using. Later KnAAPO wanted to upgrade their tools.

Not only the aircraft is underlicense but the plant is also under licence so how do they know u can do better:)

http://www.royfc.com/acft_news_old_apr1.html#14apr
General designer of the Sukhoy holding company, Mikhail Simonov, talked to Delovoy Vtornik
-“Not yet. I will cite an example of our international projects. China has request we help in erecting an aircraft factory. We have issued all the documentation for rigging and equipping according to an inexpensive and the best scenario. So: the Chinese always have selected the most modern solutions. They have not regretted the moneys for new technologies. They built a brilliant plant under our license. Today a similar deal is being discussed with India. Su-30MKI fighters will be produced there.

You basically cannot make a medium tech fighter by your self so starting from J-10 to J-11- L-15 To ARJ-21 to FC-1 everything is from outside and it is proven by official sources in various countries. I am not even going into entire history.

http://www.pac.org.pk/amfsite-final/jf17.html
Chengdu was selected as primary contractor and the Russian Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group (MASPG) was contracted to provide the Klimov RD-93 turbofan engine and design assistance too.

Except for the internal dimensions. Il-76 cargo box is narrower & lower than an A400M, which stops it carrying some of the loads desired by W. European countries. A400M was built around those cargo box dimensions: they’re not an optional, “nice to have”, feature.

An-70, on the other hand, has the right internal dimensions. . . .

Comparison of airlifters

A nice diagram comparing C-130J, C.160, A400M & C-17.

The C-130/C.160 comparison is quite instructive: it shows how the Transall was designed to carry the same size loads (albeit over shorter ranges), nicely illustrating the design priorities.

First they are comparing Old IL-76 data. Newer one can carry 40 tons to 6400KM. u can change the shape of boxes with longer lenght than width and height.
IL-76TF has same performance as C-17Globamaster. And for oversized cargo you need newer AN-124-150M. which is still priced lower than A-400M.
IL-76 also has 850KM/hr crusiing speed. A-400 is i think 40% slower.
http://www.ilyushin.org/eng/products/cargo/76tf.html

There is no point in carrying only 20 tons cargo for longer distance at slower speeds that will increase the turnn around time. A-400M is regional cargo aircraft in similar class as MTA.

for your convenience i will post it again all material at one place. since connection between Su-47, PAK-FA and composite materials.

AVIATION

Russian fifth-generation combat aircraft to be built of materials tested on Berkut

MOSCOW. May 5 (Interfax-AVN) – The first fifth-generation fighters will be made of composites tested on the SU-47 experimental aircraft (formerly S-37 Berkut), a competent source in the Russian defense industry told Interfax-Military News Agency Monday.

“The first fifth-generation fighters are to be built of further developed and upgraded composite materials of the type used in the SU-47 experimental aircraft,” he said.

The source said that, for example, the composites that the wing panels of the SU-47 are made of have been tested thoroughly, and the designer of the future fighter knows they will work well.

However, he went on, the technology of the production of the SU-47’s wing panels has been poorly automated and still requires much manual labor.

“The production technology should be upgraded. The serial production of the fighter has to involve new materials, and the automation level of the production technology should be much higher for lower labor intensity and production cost,” the source said.

He also said that the Russian Aircraft Materials Institute (VIAM) was working on new materials for the fifth-generation aircraft engine.

“VIAM does this in close cooperation with the Central Aircraft Engine Production Institute that has inspired the creation of the engine. For example, it is necessary to make a high-curvature wide-chord working blade. The problem is not only to produce the blade, but also to tailor the material it is made of. The whole production process is to be automated,” the source said

AVIATION

Russian R&D institute starts working out new composite materials for 5th generation fighter

MOSCOW. April 30,2003 (Interfax-AVN) – The All-Russian R&D Institute of Aircraft Materials (VIAM) has started designing composite materials for the fifth-generation fighter, a competent source in the Russian defense industry told Interfax-Military News Agency on Wednesday.

“The future composite materials most have advanced strength and rigidity specifications, as well as advanced heat stability. These parameters must be better by about 30 to 40 percent,” the source said.

According to experts, composite materials will amount to about 30 percent of the total weight of fifth-generation planes and aircraft engines. Specific weight of new composite materials is four to six times as low as that of steels and 1.5 times as low as that of alumunium alloys, the source said.

“The composite materials being designed for the fifth- generation aircraft engine withstand the temperature of 400 degrees for a long time. The blades and entire screw as well as first blades of the compressor can be made of these materials,” he said.

VIAM has received the largest order for designing new composite materials from the Sukhoi military aircraft corporation that is responsible for designing the fifth-generation fighter, the source noted.

In addition, one of the major agreements that have been concluded deals with certification of the TU-334 passenger plane.

VIAM is also working with the Aviadvigatel JSO based in Perm to improve the PS-90A aircraft engine and create its PS-90A2 variety with advanced noise specifications.

“New materials must provide for the aircraft engines’ compliance with noise requirements of Chapter Four of ICAO Annex 16 and for creating the research and technical backlog to ensure compliance with Chapter Five of this annex that is yet to take effect,” the source stressed.

http://www.nmsu.edu/~ucomm/Releases/2001/April2001/composi5.html

The composites Sarychev and Shalaev are investigating are similar in structure to films that were being developed for use on stealth aircraft by the Soviet Union when Sarychev was a researcher at the Russian Academy of Science. The difference is mainly a matter of scale.

“The work began in the 1980s and rapidly progressed until the crash of the Soviet Union,” Sarychev said. “The material was almost ready for aircraft when the Cold War ended and interest faded. It would have required building a new airplane, and there was no money.”

The goal of that research was to develop an aircraft skin that would absorb microwave radiation. After Sarychev came to the United States and began collaborating with Shalaev, the two became interested in the optical applications of percolation composites.

“It is quite different in the microwave range, but the main idea is the same,” Sarychev said. “Before, we worked on material that would absorb microwave radiation from far away. Then we started to look inside the material.”

Sarychev has been a visiting professor of physics at NMSU twice and is now a college professor of physics. He has a Ph.D. from the Moscow Physical-Technical Institute and a Doctor of Science — a degree that is higher than the Ph.D. and goes only to the country’s top researchers — from the Institute of High Temperatures of the Russian Academy of Sciences.