Same reason it’s not on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s, and so on. The cost/benefit makes it not worth it. Contrary to your fanboy fantasy below, TVC isn’t going to allow a fighter to outmanuever a dogfight missile.

TVC is going to dodge the missile. as missile loses all its range and speed in hard turns make it more susceptible to shoot down.
and it is very difficult to implement otherwise u would have seen it on IAF MIG-29, MIG-21 (both are MIG/Klimov products) just like Su-30MKI. Its a unique combination of aircraft aerodynamics, FBW to produce super maneovrability. and goes through long process of certification.

So you think the only benefit of fly by wire is to make unstable designs flyable? :diablo:

nope. but it has more advantegous to use on unstable designs. Su-27SM got new digital FBW but MIG-31BM will not get it is getting phased array radar.

Who gives a s–t, that’s entirely beside the point. The fact is there is nothing that says 3D TVC HAS to be installed in a staticly unstable design.

so why not put it on MIG-31 to enhance its manevourability.

What, no “hypermanueverability”? You might want to tell them to add that because I’m sure that would make all the difference in the world to an AIM-9X or ASRAAM. :rolleyes:

Su-35 needs six seconds that dodge missile no matter what kind of missile.

*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz* you done yet? None of that matters. At all. The original statement was that 3D TVC was possible decades ago. Period. It was. Get over it.

and FBW was also possilbe long time ago but there is no point in stable designs.

Whatever makes you able to sleep at night. :rolleyes:

I just want to show the scale of money involved. They have all the money, computing power, industrial machinery, composite materials, workers trained in EU and hire the best manpower to produce the best fighter. All these variables were not present before.

So do you think a 25000kg aircraft and a 3200000kg Saturn V have the same level of complexity? And FBW is completely irrelevant here as there is no physical law stating that a design must be statically unstable in order to use 3D TVC.

Russians are not putting TVC engines in isolation from aircraft FBW system. it is specific purpose is to achieve ultramanevorability which goes beyond super manevorability. u can bench TVC engine on ground without aircraft but it is different thing in putting on already very manevorable aircraft to enhance it further. and PAK-FA is the Top project certainly the funding level will go much beyond than what Soviet Union could ever imagine.
There is historic shift of wealth and technology from West to East and PAK-FA will sure benfit from it in alot of ways. I dont see them settling for second best when they are the real wealthiest country on earth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/business/worldbusiness/17mall.html?ref=business
Russia is projected to open twice as much mall space as any other European country this year, and Europe will open more shopping centers this year than ever.
Russia, ever competitive with the United States, is also neck-and-neck in a new measure of competition: mall size

3D TVC is simple by comparison. Had anybody wanted it they could have had it in the 60s or even earlier.

where was that quadigi FBW and 9g fighters in 60s with over 20 tons NTOW. just look at the size of beast.It requires very high level of knowledge of aerodynamics, propulsion, FBW and russian did it without having the computing and industrial power of west.

If china is going to buy substantial ammounts of this aircraft , then sure their is a buisness case for it , even though it is being bought outside of competition and basically to support ones own industry .

substantial number does not mean that it is profitable. It will take alteast 10 years to actually deliver those 180 airlines with imported components and long delayed development and implemenation and prices are fixed. in high inflation evironment the quickest delivery can make profit.

Read up on what the financial experts have to say, don’t be lazy.
it’s designed for China’s operating environment right from the start. That’s why you already see 180 orders for it, more than RRJ and MRJ.
Don’t bother replying unless you read a couple.

Designed for operating environment. you are saying the same foreign parts cannot be modified in other airplanes. I am sure other aviation firms have been dealing with China for decades. they exactly know the operating environment, market and geographical conditions. or do you they just dont get any feed back from there Chinese customers based on operational experiance? what is so unique about Chinese operating environment. Is it going to work on non-paved airfields.
180 orders are just on paper. let see how many years does it take to deliver. there is no business case for this aircraft rather than deep subsidizing of airplane and airlines on tax payers money which can be spent some where else. This plane simply does bring anything interms of fuel efficiency, range, payload for its size.

MIG-31 real advantage is to fly high and fast using long range radar and missiles against P-3C/E-2C type aircraft and provide situational awarness to others.

we could see S-400 export.

Kazakhstan to buy Russian surface-to-air missile systems

ASTANA. May 12 (Interfax-AVN) – Kazakhstan has a short-term plan to buy surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, including new-generation ones, from Russia, the Kazakh defense minister said, calling Russian air defense weapons “the best in the world.”

Kazakhstan would buy enough S-300 PMU2 Favorit systems to arm several air defense battalions, Danial Akhmetov told Interfax.

“I hope that a contract on supplies of S-300 PMU2 surface-to-air missile systems will be signed very soon. A fundamental agreement to that effect has been reached, it is the details that remain to be sorted out,” he said.

Kazakhstan also plans “to buy the latest-generation S-400 Triumf SAMs very soon,” Akhmetov said. Citing experts, he described Triumf as “the best weapon that the air defenses of the Russian Federation have and the best that exists in the world in this respect.”

“As regards the creation of air defense systems, we give unquestionable priority to Russia as Russian armaments in that segment are the best in the world,” he said.

Rosoboronexport to be sole supplier of ships for Kazakh Caspian fleet

ASTANA. May 12 (Interfax-AVN) – The Kazakh Navy will complete the formation of the Caspian military fleet by 2015, Defense Minister Danial Akhmetov said.

“Rosoboronexport was chosen as the main designer of the naval infrastructure in Aktau [Kazakh Caspian seaport]. It will also supply a number of warships to the Kazakh Navy,” he said.

Some of the ships with a displacement of 400 tonnes will be produced at the Zenit Kazakh-Russian joint venture in Uralsk, the administrative center of the West Kazakh region, the minister said. “Larger vessels may be built in St. Petersburg and Tatarstan,” he remarked.

He did not say how much and what vessels Kazakhstan would buy from Russia but said their cooperation plans were large. “We plan to complete the formation of our military fleet by 2015. Thus, we have drafted a schedule of ship supplies from Russia and the Zenit shipyard,” he said.
The Russian Defense Ministry offered the most modern ships to Kazakhstan, he said