Now I remember why you were on the ignore list. Dont bother talking about naval matters Star you do not have a clue how much you dont know.

Atleast the common sense stuff i understand.

Russia’s current standing army is 1 million men is that right?. Utter fantasy.

I think 1 million will be the total armed forces size excluding interior troops.

For those ‘million men’ Sergei Ivanov holds bleak future: “the accident rate is not falling.”[57] Two of every seven conscripts will become addicted to drugs and alcohol while serving their terms, and a further one in twenty will suffer homosexual rape, according to 2005 reports.

I think u should stick to 2005 reports. We are already in 2008. THere are big chunk now professional and upto 48,000 airborne troops.

Here’s hoping that the chaps manning those awesome double-digit SAMs aren’t part of the near-30% of conscripts that Ivanov labels as alcoholics or junkies huh?!. Still, Star, they have Iskander missiles so everythings ok isnt it!?. Good christ!.

what about the other 70%.? There is always wear & tear in any organization. Overall potential is never in doubt.

Strange take on the Suez crisis. The French and British pulled out because the US didnt want a confrontation with the Soviet Union and threatened to call in war loans if we didnt do as we were told. What you’ve written is wrong in every pertinent sense!.

I just gave one example. UK-French washed there hands from all there colonies right after World War 2. Russia hold onto it for next 45 years despite having suffered far greater damage at hands of German in men & material. It just show certain level of determination. I am not going into Marshall plans and certain other episides. This EU is an Military embrassment compared to Russia. Just look at HongKong & Kuril islands.

There is no ‘think’ about it. There are no more Warsaw Pact forces poised to roll into western europe. The Red Army has been reduced by its experience in Chechnya and through criminal neglect to the point where it is a shell of its former self.

Experiance in Chechnya reduced Red Army? Is it the same theories of finding a carrier in ocean. A country that can park hundreds of thousands of troops simultaneously in harsh conditions of Mongolia/Afghanistan/Central asia will have no problem in defeating any Western army. But Western EU is simply money making machine for them now nothing else.
Let see how much NATO is going to beg for Russian help in next Summit.

I’ll tell you this now, and you can digest this while you read through your ’10 years and still not updated’ US websites no professional analyst in the UK expresses the slightest concern about a conventional military threat, to western europe, from Russia. Energy exploitation yes – conventional military threat no. Simple as that.

u need very strong miliarty power/scientific power to do energy exploitation and rewrite agreements practically every year.

http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=5IMMDG0I2YN2QQSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=206103689
I have a hypothesis that we don’t understand Russia very well,” he continued. “The country will evolve into something different, and we have to stay there to take advantage of the pool of strong science. Many want to start companies, but [what they really] need is marketing expertise. My thumbs are up for Russia–I am far more optimistic than how newspapers describe the scene there.”

I’m sticking with facts…

Facts? ur just interpreting news reports. According to news reprot MIG-35 first flew in Jan 2007 so how radar parameters of 130KM with 680 modules & 200KG with 1100 modules were established along 900hr MTBO. 30 track, 8 engage.
Dont u think this will not requires of testing to estabish those parameters on several radar sets? or they did every thing in one month.

They call it MiG-35 as it is the main demonstrator for the most important features of the final aircraft, the avionics! If the MiG-35 would be seen as complete as it is why do you self speak about the MiG-29K being more representive in terms of airframe and engine? How can you claim the MiG-35 (no.154) is a complete aircraft representing the final configuration, while claiming at the same time that the aircraft isn’t representive!? You are clearly contradicting your self and wrong turn the truth for whatever reason.
The aircraft as it is will not be delivered to India (if India selects the type at all)! That’s a fact and claiming otherwise is ignoring reality at best.

MIG-29K is structurally unified with MIG-35 not any other MIG and u can put any kind of avionics it does not change anything.

The only thing that the MiG-35 and Su-35 have in common is that both are from Russia! Taking the Su-35 as example for the MiG-35 is nonsense as both are different aircraft, from different manufacturers!

they are going through same testing procedures. They head of MIG came from IRKUT.

Does it? Where? There is more about the MiG-35 than just the AESA radar. The MiG-35 also includes the new OLS-UEM, OLS-K, SOLO, SOAR devices etc., it features aerodynamical changes as unveiled on MAKS. You could also fit an AESA to other MiG-29 but I doubt they all would be redesignated to MiG-35!

This MIG-35 lacks RD-33MK engines so why they are calling it MIG-35 than?. Only The MIG-29K is aerodynamically closest to MIG-35.

I never claimed there would be just one AESA radar in whole Russia, once again you wrong turn my statements. I repeately said that AFAIK there was no other AESA radar testflown onboard another MiG-29 or any other russian fighter before the MiG-35. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any other AESA devices used in ground tests. You claim that another AESA radar was tested onboard another MiG-29 test aircraft before the MiG-35 demonstrator was flown and there I asked you to provide a source which proves that. Until now you have copy pasted a lot of press releases but no of these press releases confirmed that an AESA radar was flown onboard any russian combat aircraft before the MiG-35. That’s what I’m speaking about all the time, but you still haven’t realized that.

I have clearly said. There is will be experimental aircrafts/Airliners for testing various Radar sets. u should know first ZHUK-AESA was heavy at 400KG than they have to scale it down to 220KG. It means there are multiple radar sets for testing. So AESA is not related to MIG-35 that ur constantly referring to.
I will be not surprized AESA testing for Flanker/PAK-FA on other fighers but they may not want to disclose it.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Honestly such stupidy don’t need any further comments.

try to understand Mulitrole in IAF context. UR EF as it is not acceptable. It will have to go through recertification.

You seem to forget that India doesn’t soley operate russian aircraft types. I won’t discuss which of the 6 types makes the run as way to much factors play a role. I don’t doubt that the MiG-35 has good chances, but again your pushing the discussion into another direction.

India does not got license for M2K engines so upgrade must be faster:p. why not try for GE F404 license alteast. It is the first step in the door. Licensing procedure for EF is decades away.

No it doesn’t, but it also don’t say there is another testbed… So again this article don’t prove your point, while not contradicting mine. BTW I’m speaking about the AESA radar intended for the MiG-35 not about an AESA radar under development for the PAK FA.

The press release just say AESA equiped MIGS are called MIG-35 nothing more. so ur clearly wrong that only there is Only ONE AESA Radar set in whole Russia. by constanlty pointing to that ONE MIG-35 demonstrator.
phazotron is not contractor for PAK-FA. That is JSC Sevltana-Tik team.

And what…? So are all other contenders except for the MiG-35 no multirole fighters in your opinion or what do you intend to say by that?

They are not multirole for India. Ur still not understanding. MIG-35 alread has one foot in the door by licensing of RD-33. there is no point for engine license for mere 70 aircraft. And i dont believe HAL/GTRE can handle more than Kaveri/RD-33/AL-31/AL-55. and plethora of other engines overhaul/maintainance.

This does not point there is Single Radar set.

http://www.royfc.com/news/may/0803may06.html
Bench Tests of First Aircraft Radar with Active Phased Array Antenna Start in 2004

The Fazotron-NIIR Corporation plans to start bench tests in 2004 of the first aircraft radar with an active phased array antenna (BRLS with AFAR), the general director and general designer of the corporation, Anatoliy Kanashchenkov, reported to Interfax-AVN on Thursday ((8 May 2003)).

“As early as the second quarter 2003, the first of several elements for the active phased array antenna should be manufactured,” A. Kanashchenkov said.

According to him, new principles based on solid-state technology are being used in the BRLS with AFAR being developed by the corporation.

“As of today, we already have prospective power amplifier and approximately half the solid-state integrated analogue circuits,” said A. Kanashchenkov.

He reported that the enterprise is participating in a competition for the creation of the aircraft radar for the future Russian fifth generation fighter.

“The document about the conclusion of the competition for the creation of the aircraft radar for the future Russian fighter still has not been signed. But independent of the results of the competition, Fazotron-NIIR will continue work on the development of a future BRLS with AFAR – such work has been underway at the enterprise over the last 7 years,” A. Kanashchenkov said.

Answering an Interfax-AVN question, he reported that “the future BRLS with AFAR will be more expensive than a BRLS with a passive phased array antenna. At the same time, A. Kanashchenkov noted that the improvement of the technology for manufacturing a BRLS with AFAR over time will allow appreciably reducing expenses and lead to a lowering of the price for the complex.

“As early as after the manufacture and tests of the first 5 – 10 BRLS with AFAR the technology of their assembly will be improved and the cost lowered significantly,” A. Kanashchenkov said.

Source: 08.05.03, Interfax-AVN

Can you? I asked you to provide sources which prove that the new aerodynamical features of the MiG-35 as presented on MAKS last August (reshaped trailing edge wing profile, redesigned fins etc.) are already tested on a MiG-29 testbed, you failed to do so. Furthermore I asked you to provide a source to prove that the Zhuk-MAE was installed aboard another flying testbed prior installation aboard the MiG-35 demonstrator, once again you failed to do so! I don’t exclude that the radar is tested aboard another flying testbed, but there is no evidence for that and all the news releases and articles of early 2007 spoke about the MiG-35 demonstrator being the first russian combat aircraft fitted with an AESA radar. So if there is another testbed has it flown before the MiG-35 demonstrator, if not when has it flown? Please don’t come up again and again with “it’s the Russian way they do such things” when you are not able to prove any of your claims.

can u point out single test bed of RD-33MK engine among those 10 aircrafts? The answer is no. SO do u think they will say MIG-35 is the second aircraft since the first one is Experimental?

So I guess the SOLO, SOAR, OLS-UEM & K ad Zhuk-MAE are all just dummy airshow devices…:rolleyes: The articles in early 2007 spoke about the MiG-35 demonstrator being used as avionics testbed and that is what I think it does. Claiming this aircraft is for airshows only is as much nonsense as if you would claim that the MiG-29M-OVT was just built to wow the crowds at airshows. That they are presented at airshows for marketing purposes is true, but that doesn’t mean they were built for just that purpose! Even the richer manufacturers from the west which could afford such things, won’t do that and I doubt the Russians do that.

& Su-35-1 is the test bed for reall production 2010 Su-35 but it does not preclude that subsystems hasnt been tested.

That’s your intepretation. The MiG-35 as proposed for the IAFs MMRCA tender features a different airframe and Zhuk-AE, rather than the Zhuk-MAE… Claiming this demonstrator is a final product is complete nonsense and far away from any reality. Just a fool can believe in something like that.

& MIG-35 proposed in 2015 will be completely different powered by 25,000LBS engines.

So if I have done it, it should be no problem for you to quote my posts were I have done it… So do it I’m waiting, but as said you will have a hard time by doing so…

i can find.

Lol you don’t no what you speak about dude.

Let see how long it takes for Dassualt to upgrade first M2K. EF will take twice that time just propose an aircraft and 4 times that amount of time to implement it.:p

Sorry for my spelling of the word impoverished.

Any way that is what i like about Brazil`s Embraer and the VLS program Brazil has focused more its energy into civil uses of high tech, and making money rather than piling up weponry that will rust after many years.

Also the deal that Argentina and Brazil stroke was to create Civil nuclear plants to generate electricity for the Mercosur countries.

Also Brazil has a GDP as big as the Russian one but also spends less in weapons slightly more than a half of what Russia spends, and a single Submarine does not compare to the many Submarines Russia wants to build.

the Brazilian nuclear submarine program also advances at a slower pace simply because they pour less money into it.

In many ways Brazil is not as militaristic as Russia is, if it is true that in some areas Brazil is behind i see a better influence in the world of the brazilian economy than the ultramilitaristic Russia policies of selling weapons.

Embraer and Sukhoi reflect both nations very well, Russia wants to still sell more weapons that civil products, see Sukhoi sells mostly Flankers while brazil mostly E-170 and ERJ-145 aircraft even despite Russia can build aircraft as powerful as the A-340 or Boeing 757.

Russia is by no means a nation with high standards of living and you can see it simply because every year there are less russians living in their own country and the Russian population is shrinking

I told u Brazil is not building anything it is merely assembling it. So no point in for comparision. And Russian Wealth statistics are outdated. They dont want to update it otherwise it will scare the West. compare Moscow/ST.Petersubrg real estate to London/Tokoyo/Paris. It is no less than that. Brazil is not even in competition.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080319/101701975.html
MOSCOW. (Military commentator Nikita Petrov for RIA Novosti) – “The Irkut Corporation will gradually move to building civilian, rather than military, aircraft, and its main product will be the aircraft of the future, the MS-21.”

Those are the words of Oleg Demchenko, president of the Irkut Corporation, one of Russia’s leading aircraft manufacturers. You could be forgiven for thinking this was just routine corporate bombast. After all, it is not uncommon for an ambitious executive to make his mark on a company by signaling a change in strategy. And what company launching a new product would not dub it the car, soap, or soft-drink “of the future”?

Yet this is no ordinary rebranding. Irkut, like most Russian aircraft manufacturers, has traditionally focused on military aircraft. But the industry has recently fallen on hard times. Riding on the success of the $3.5 billion MS-21 project, contends Demchenko, is the survival of an entire industry.

Alongside, the MS-21 project is part of the Federal Civil Aviation Program till 2015.

“If our country fails here by not producing a jet incorporating advanced materials, avionics and engines and featuring paperless design and international cooperation,” he says, “we could say good-bye to our aircraft manufacturing.”

The MS-21 is not the only medium-range civilian aircraft to emerge from Russia recently – Sukhoi Civil Aircraft’s Russian Superjet-100 (RRJ) shares similar characteristics. But the significance the industry attaches to the MS-21 is evidenced by the host of Russian aviation companies involved in the project. These include such iconic names as the Yakutsk Design Bureau, Sukhoi, the Beriev Taganrog Aviation Scientific Technical Complex, famed for its Be-200 seaplanes – Tupolev and Antonov. Several western corporations are also involved.

The initial stages of the project, covering the basic elements and design ideas for a prototype, have already cost 1.5 billion rubles (over $60 million). In September of this year a conceptual design will be prepared and digitization (preparation of digital drawings) of the plane’s components will begin. The aircraft will finally be rolled out for flight testing in 2010.

To maximize their competitive edge, the designers have consciously avoided the long-haul market. The market for wide-bodied passenger aircraft is dominated by Boeing and Airbus. It would be useless to compete with their latest designs, such as the Boeing-787 Dreamliner or the giant Airbus A-380, which can seat between 500 and 800 passengers.

The niche for narrow-bodied jet liners carrying 150 to 180 travelers is another matter. True, there are rival models here, too: particularly the Boeing-737, the Airbus A-320. But Airbus is set to phase out the A-320 to provide room for new orders. By the time the MS-21 is certified and airborne, A-320s will no longer be produced, leaving a gap in the market that Irkut hopes to exploit.

Irkut has actively cultivated the impression of the MS-21 as the heir to the A-320, promising to make it 15% to 20% more efficient than the Airbus plane. Demchenko guarantees that the new model will also be more comfortable than its Russian counterparts.

Above all, the objective is to make the new aircraft as competitive as possible on the international market.

“We will enlist the best in the world to develop the MS-21,” Demchenko says. This follows the strategy used by Sukhoi as it developed its RRJ. Such an arrangement helped the firm not only to have the airliner certified for its main characteristics, but also to secure firm orders from both Russian and overseas operators.

Building up facilities for the development and manufacture of the MS-21 will be one of the main planks of an international cooperation program to build the Aircraft of the Future. In the next two years Irkut will invest $80 million in retooling and new equipment. At the same time, it will adopt new management standards.

“Such a strategy is a must,” say Russian aircraft firms, “if you want to enter international markets with your products.”

Secondly, the MS-21 will make extensive use of composites, which are particularly strong and very light. Sukhoi has already accepted Irkut’s proposal to make a carbon wing for the liner, which performs better than wings from other materials.

In addition to newly configured wings, the MS-21 will also feature advanced avionics and a new and more efficient engine, consuming 25% less fuel than comparable models and being 15% more environment-friendly. In other words, it will have a lower noise level and be less polluting.

In August of this year, Irkut is to announce a tender for a powerplant for the airliner, and the winner will get an order for its production. But the main stipulation is that the winner must be Russian.

All moving parts and assemblies, including the air-frame, landing gear struts, tail unit, engine nacelles, ailerons and other components, will be manufactured in Russia. “We will support Russian producers,” Demchenko said.

Together with the Sukhoi’s SuperJet-100, the new medium-haul MS-21 will meet up to 80% of Russia’s domestic requirements in new passenger planes and could compete on international routes.