It’s never been my understanding that “global quality” has been the goal of the alliances, outside of some basic understandings as the writer has eluded to. The goal, in my opinion, has been increased efficiency, proft and access to ports of call.
China is obviously a major achievement for whomever secures an entrance into the market place.
While not having access up-to-date numbers, I disagree that Oneworld is floundering so far behind Star, as seems to be implied in this article. You have two major carriers, AA and BA, together giving enormous route networks, plus several European, most noteably EI and Iberia (can’t think of code at the moment), and QF is quite strong in Oceana/Asia.
I think that the Skyteam Alliance is not given enough credit either. The scope of AF’s route network is fantastic, and when coupled with DL and Korean, they manage, in my observation, to use fewer airlines, reach a vast number of destinations, and I would think, have a lower cost base. Mexicana gives them access to Latin America, AF, gives them Africa and the far east (not to mention the obvious European network) and DL gives them the Atlantic and North America. Now with DL’s marketing agreements with CO and NW this alliance becomes even more powerful. Is there any chance that KL will join, or does this compete with AF? I know that they have been seeking their own alliance. Plus with AF, DL and Korean, you have access to some of the biggest hubs in the world, namely Atlanta, Paris and Seoul.
Perhaps in the future Paris will become increasingly more attractive than it already is with the operation of no-frills directly from CDG (easyjet). I may be wrong, but I think in Europe it must be the biggest hub airport with no-frills flying out of it. Good news potentially for AF, even if it competes with its own product, perhaps they will have to introduce a no frills product to compete. Getting off on a tangent there.
Just my thoughts.
This is a tricky situation, and I believe, may ulitmately depend on what happens to AA, not BA. BA will be fine, the UK government will not see it die, and, as previously pointed out, the airline seems to be recovering. However, should AA continue to stumble, it will be ripe for investment, if allowed by the US Government. QF and BA may not only be trying to secure their presence in Oceana, but also across the Atlantic, and investment in AA would ensure oneworld’s Atlantic operation doesn’t bend to the Star Alliance.
Beyond that I believe that NZ would join QF. Qantas would be stupid to risk threatening its presence to the US west coast. It already has to deal with United, and to some degree, Air Canada, across the Pacific, and now Air New Zealand. My friend is flying NZ to the South Pacific this time next year.
Also, doesn’t SQ own a portion of NZ? If BA, AA and QF could lure them into the Oneworld that would be pretty unbeatable throughout Asia and Oceana.
RE: SAS
Kabir, great photo. BTW, I know that you are an author on airlines, but what else do you do? You get to travel a lot.
I like the SAS livery. I like modern schemes, the look of airlines has to move forward at some point. The old images were very nice as well, but I don’t think we need to stay in the past. I just note that as I notice a lot of people prefer the old liveries. Discussion piece perhaps.
RE: The Pries Wonder!
Excellent shots! I’ve never seen a photo of a 747 that close up on lift off.
RE: Your nearest BIG airport?
Toronto Lester B. Pearson International (YYZ), although, we also have a small airport in downtown Toronto (where I live) called the Toronto Island Airport that accommodates Dash 8 aircraft from Air Canada Jazz.
FYI, Pearson is currently expanding and merging two old terminals into one super terminal, as well as adding new highway links, and parking lots, and an expansion of Terminal 3. It is the largest consturction project in Canada. Also, just opened another runway (four active runways now).
RE: Guilty plea in Air India trial
There are two other men who are alleged to be involved, more with the carrying out of the bombing. I think that police may have some stronger evidence to use against the other two men, and perhaps, testimony from the guilty party.
Many Canadians were shocked by the sentencing.
RE: Airliner World 2010
I think that a lot of people use Frankfurt as a hub, especially under STAR. People connecting to eastern Europe from the United States and Canada, even to western cities. Frankfurt is very well positioned.
RE: Airliner World 2010
I agree with a lot of your comments Binx re: AC; however, governments do change, and, if a non-liberal government, or even change of Prime Minister (Mr. Martin) come into power, Air Canada’s ties the liberal party may not be so strong. A lot can happen in seven to ten years. Also, I think AC needs a new CEO. It’s time for a change. If it proved cheaper for Air Canada to merge with a US carrier, or have open skies, I think that Canadians would back this. People seem unhappy with the monopoly. I also doubt that David Collinette (spelling -sorry) will continue to be Minister of Transportation after the cabinet shuffle with Martin, he is a Chretien supporter.
RE: Airliner World 2010
I agree with the Iberia assessment upon reflection. Isn’t Madrid the 5th or 6th largest airport in Europe? That alone should secure some sort of future placing for Iberia.
RE: Airliner World 2010
Thanks for the response Kabir. I suppose China will be one to watch for some time as its market becomes stronger (especially with the Olympics in the offing).
I would assume that Air India will also increase its position, how can one not with such a large population to resource and strong links throughout the world.
I’m not sure of the history, but did Air India stay out of Canada after the bombing in the eighties? I’m assuming that it had to hurt their bookings. Or, is competition from Air Canada keeping them out?
RE: Airliner World 2010
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 10-02-03 AT 03:48 PM (GMT)]Kabir, what, if any, consoidation could happen in Asia? I have heard for years that JAL is in trouble, like UA, AA and AC, too labour heavy, and the government apparently gave a number of slots at Narita to foreign airlines (a while back now). For example, would both Malaysian and Singapore survive, both ANA and JAL, Korean and Asiana?
Your thoughts…
RE: Airliner World 2010
First, one of the best discussion topics in a long while. Good job Mongu.
I think that at some point North America will have an open skies agreement (if the current economic climate continues) and at that point Air Canada may join a partner. Otherwise, the government likely wouldn’t let them disappear. Also, within the United States I believe that there will be a consolodation of airlines, perhaps the Delta, Continental and Northwest codeshare is the first sign of that. If they merged outright they would have an impressive network. I am not sure if both UA and AA will survive, but Southwest will definitely be around for a long while. However, the US will definitely need a long distance carrier and that is why two of the majors will stick around (competition).
I agree that British Airways will not be allowed to go under. BA is a powerful corporate (and British) logo around the world. Also, as long as London stays in the forefront of ports of entry to Europe BA will survive. I agree that LH and AF will also survive, but I’m not sure why Iberia is also included with this group. I didn’t realize they were that strong force in Europe.
Agreed that Air New Zealand will disappear into Qantas. However, i could also see an Asian carrier taking up a sizeable share of the Oceanic market. Perhaps BA and QF could become stronger partners yet in an effort to compete on routes through Asia?
Star will deminish; however, I recall Airliner World’s special on the alliances and I was struck that SkyTeam has far fewer members, but has an amazing number of cities served. Perhaps they will survive.
RE: Wearing a wire
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 07-02-03 AT 04:38 PM (GMT)]re: plural of fuselage
I don’t know that you would add an s. You could say, “the fuselage of the aircraft lay strewn across the Arizona dessert after long life of service to their respective airlines”. Or, “Aircraft manufacteurers assemble the fuselage of many aircraft at any given time”.
Just taking a stab at it, could be wrong.
Perhaps Kabir our resident author on aircraft could let us know.
RE: Well here it is…. looking long and lovely
The body is so long, it would bennefit from having either the name spaced out a bit more, or some logo next to the name to make it look a bit more dynamic. Nice shot though.
RE: Pic Of The Day-Best Office Space?
Agreed.