I had a Morris Minor car once-it should legally have had a ‘Q’ registration plate as it was comprised of over twenty different Minors; was that an original Morris Minor, or not?
God knows how many bits of Lancasters and similar comprise PA474 these days; does that mean it’s not a Lancaster anymore?
For aircraft, I don’t think there is one hard and fast answer-each case has to be viewed individually.
VERY nice-she’s gonna be a beaut when she’s finished, the world’s only complete Halifax. She already shames the Hendon example. (Though that DOES work on an emotional level, too).
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
I don’t know what ‘original’ was ever found/left on her, but I was certainly under the impression that everything you see on Sugar was applied when she went into Hendon in the 70’s.
Hey, cool little link! Many people don’t realise how much fabric-and wood-is on a Lanc, which they assume is all metal.
Only just seen that comment-VERY poor taste. 😡
That used to be a highlight of the old RAF St Athan ‘At Home’ days, get there early enough and you got first dibs on the Vulcan cockpit there, no queing, no hurry to get out again, and some years, they even had it plugged into the ground power too, so it was sort of humming and twinkling in there…magic.
Then you had to get out quick and go and catch them ground-running the Me 410 that now just gathers dust at Cosford.
Ah, happy days! 🙂
Well, call me picky, but so little of HMS Victory actually IS the HMS Victory anyway…
Yeah yeah, professional display team and all that, but you sit there with a tray of chips in your hand and just you see how easily distracted they become! 😀
Only just caught back up with this thread, otherwise I’d have answered dhfan’s Bluebird/Gnat query myself, but Alexis has it spot on, anyway!
Bluebird did indeed once have a Beryl engine too though, so actually, we’re ALL right! 😀
An absolutely excellent online history of Sugar-
http://www.raf-waddington.com/specials/museum/lancaster/r5868.htm
I know the poster you refer to, I used to have one myself! It’s my understanding that most of what you see there was fitted by one Ted Willoughby, a former 467 sqdn man who took it upon himself to fit Sugar’s once bare interior out as best as he could over the years after her internment at Hendon.
From when they’ve had the covers off, and especially when they took her whole port outer wing off a few years ago, I’d say that the engines are just left ‘as is’. The one I saw was splattered with ancient-looking red gooey stuff, a preservative I would guess, and it had a few bits missing. So yeah, she’s got Merlins, but only as lumps on which to hang props!
British Canuck-yes, I’ve been inside Sugar a few times, and her innards are a bit of a mixture-ropey old interior green sprayed all over the place-inlcuding all over old dangling bits of cut wiring loom etc-but her actual cockpit is okay, and is getting better as years go by. Could be a lot beter, could be a lot worse. It’s a shame that those pair of dummies stop you getting into the best bit of her interior now! 🙁
Seek out Guildhall Publications’ Lancaster profile book (by Ian Hartup) for the best set of interior Sugar pics in print-also of NX611, too.
To clarify, I meant everyone associated with the Vulcan, not anyone else who happens to be based at Brunty.
Iagree with Doughnut’s last paragraph there-one has to wonder why the poor thing went there in the first place. We’ve had a few good years of taxi runs, but now she’s most likely to just end up as spares and bean cans. What’s the point of that? At least they’d always have had a guaranteed crowd-puller if they kept her in ground running condition.
If they don’t at least return her to that state, and just her bits go here and there, I for one would be inclined to think ‘Sod them then’ and not take anyone at Bruntingthorpe seriously as an aircraft preservation establishment ever again. 😡
Willow, Sugar was last repainted thirty years ago, actually inside the main hall at Hendon, where she first came after leaving gate guardian duties. Her looks and finish have actually lasted very well since, though recent quite necessary conservation work on poorly areas of skin have led to bits of her being repainted in a more correct matt finish, while the rest of her stays satin. So basically, as you’ve probably seen, she’s rapidly turning into a hodge-podge of finishes, which makes her look well-ropey.
In my opinion she should always be one of THE highest star attractions at Hendon, but for now at least she’s not looking her best, which is a let-down. 🙁