I do wonder why it can’t be ammended to allow the pods to be purchased under the lease agreement so they are technically not RAF property but rather supplied by the tanker consortium.
I don’t think that’s quite the issue. Maybe if you were to pay AirTanker the equivalent of operating the A330 each time you used an A400M you could do it, but it wouldn’t be cheap.
With the FI it’s a complex problem anyway. Who knows, in future the need for a tanker might be taken away for good, as I suspect the Typhoon’s fuel economy and ability to use the other airfield on the island (as the Phantoms did) is considerably better than the F3.
There are reasons why nobody has built a C-17 tanker.
Quite. It would be a waste of a C-17, and considering the worlds largest user is the USAF, fitting a boom might be a little problematic!
Correct. It does seem odd that they’d take them out of service when they are proving useful in Afghanistan, which is what the rebudgeting was mainly aimed at. I guess the new Reapers and Sentinels will will the gap there.
Yep, I don’t think there’s a gap there now.
I suspect it’s a case of no-one wanting “corporate ownership” of the Nimrod, given the recent Haddon-Cave report.
Brize Ntn may not have as many movements as any decent size regional airport. However its inadequate passenger and cargo handling facillities are already at full stretch.
Yep – that’s exactly what does limit movements. A problem that needs to be solved ASAP (or perhaps before Lyneham closes at least).:)
i would have thought that brize already being the largest base in the country, operating a large amount of big aircraft (i presume is also going to be the base for the A400m) is going to get how many hercules squadrons?
I dont see the reasoning, brize is busy enough as it is
Really it’ll only be the Herc J’s (The K’s might come across, but not for long, and gone well before A400M).
Bear in mind how many aircraft will be away at any time, and the number of movements, and it’s not all that busy compared to some decent sized regional airports.:)
is lyneham still set for the chop too?
Already been set in stone for quite a while that it’s closing late in 2012 – and at least on paper we’re not losing any capability with Lyneham’s closure, as it’s all moving to Brize.
Nice looking bird!
Steady on!:D
Advanced Tanker Program: Operational Assessment
June 2005 by CAS, Inc. for EADS North America
(I have posted this & others before)
Tanker Staging Bases
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8486/tankerstagingbases.pngI will not comment on the accuracy of the data other than to say differenent sources have somewhat varying numbers. For example, the CAS, Inc./EADS North America document credits Incirlik AB, Turkey with 7 KC-767 vs 5 KC-30 where as Boeing provided sources credit the same AB with 7 KC-767 vs 4 KC-30.
BUT ramp space is not the only factor to consider. Tarmac PCN (not just runway but ALL tarmac tankers would use at the airfield). Many airfileds have runways with higher PCN than much of the tarmac throughout the airfield .
That table shows how much building has gone on at Al Udeid since 2005!
Hadn’t quite realised how big PSAB was in Saudi either. It could only take 103 KC-30s/158 KC-767s!
bigger please 🙂
No, definitely not one of them.:D
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/971024-001.html
Article from 1997. Listed in the article as “AFSOC’s AMC tanker liaison officer”. Wait he’s a Lt. Colonel, but in the article above he’s a chief? Something is amiss. N/M, it was Chief of Operations which is a completely different moniker.
Ah, righto, so probably a full Colonel and then time for one or two stars after that (the outright boss of the TACC is a 2*)? Relatively recent though.
I wonder if he’s currently looking for a consultancy/directorship as many retired senior officers do?:)
The difference is who HE is…
A retired Air Force officer with 26 years of active duty service including a stint as the chief of Tanker Operations at the Tanker Airlift Control Center (TACC).
I’ve tried looking around for Stu Pugh’s CV/service history without success. Do we know a little more about him, perhaps most importantly when he served (for example the opinions of someone with recent history would, IMHO, be more valid than say someone who was CTOps in 1989.
I think the review will be at least a year after the election – mid 2011 perhaps?
I’m not sure that we have that luxury. We’ve run out of cash already, and need to make changes asap.
If they don’t want wing mounted pods they’d be mad – and cue the USMC and USN looking for every Brit, Aussie and French tanker in the sky. So I suspect that’s inaccurate, as I can’t believe they’d poo-poo the USMC and USN that readily.
Yes they could do it with a single center hose, alongside the boom (as in the KC-10), but for frequent use with fast jets, they’d be better not bothering.
Does anyone have the speeds from the RFP at hand?
We don’t want to put our assets in one or a few location for obvious reasons….eggs in one basket theory, but we do want to use several strategic locations
No one’s told the current USAF staff then, looking at a well known AOR in the world. 😉
…and a gem from the blog:
While we have highly capable KC-767 tankers flying in operational squadrons in Japan
Steady on, they’ve only got three airframes! Even the RAF put more than one or two aeroplanes in a Sqn (I suspect our 4 C-17s were a record until they grew to six)!:D