This was told by a Pilot who flew F-6s in 1971 War
“Shenyang F6 was good fighter, but it had a major problems, lets say in close turns it use to loose speed sharply but the RD-9s(Chinese made engines) immidiate response in surge of thrust was slow, compare to Avon of Hunter, we once spared with british Hunters in Pakistan, one of my squadron mate made a mistake by getting into tight turning dogfight in which hunter nailed him good. other then that those who had good experience never made the same mistake with the hunter in 1971 War. in that war we met Su-7s & Hunters mostly except for a MiG-21 fight. Su-7 was as same as F-6 once we caught it it was no match i have seen Gun Camera Pic in which Atiq Sufi shot down a Su-7 at such close range that we could see holes made by 30mm guns, he was in my section when we were at the end of search & destroy mission we got the call from sakesar that su-7s are nearby my section leader disengaged as we were low on fuel, but atiq broke off and went hunting and caught 01 su-7, his one engine flamed out on Landing due to his kill he got saved from Court Marshall but he didn`t flew again whole of War. we also had some exceptional pilots(Hashmi & Hatmi) who knew how to master the F6 and they did, Hashmi took out a Su-7 over rafiqui AFB by AIM-9s but such was the ethnic strife within Pakistani community & forces (it still is!) that he was burshed up for downing his own wingman(claim that because the wingman was punjabi and he was Urdu speaking thats why he took him out) which was clearly not the case..the wingman was lost due to over eager AAA chaps(its true that su-7 & F6 in air seems to have quite the same), other one is Hatmi he engaged Hunters over sakersar with his wingman (Raza he had a big scar on his face quite nice young guy in many ways a good student of tactics he died at the last day of war while on CAS mission) they were based at murid or mianwali i dont remmeber engaged hunters where hatmi & raza both shot down hunters, hatmi use to tell me that the hunter chap was real good he fought like a cornered Tiger, scissors or barral roll you name it he did made only mistake which hatmi capitalised. it was all good when things work or F6 equippment worked, we had huge problems converting to F6s and flying it because it was chinese made, we lost many young pilots due to its engine quality it was so poor, we use to have turbine blade failure which use to cut F6 in two peices and it use to happen at odd places like while take off where we didn`t have the enough height or speed to eject or at landing, myself had one luckly it was partial failure i landed back. chinese did came and checked the engines and admitted the poor quality and replaced the engines with new ones and even offered to pay compansation to dead pilots families which was denied politely the problems were solved by 1976 and by 80s we actualy had completely diffrent F6s from the ones we first flew, much better is quality”
i just a had small chit chat with that guy! was fun! (except for the remark “the 1971 war was forced farce on PAF pilots”) 😀
Regards,
New F-16s Delivered
Its a bit early, i Have just got the news that 02 F-16s have landed at sarghoda(Mushaf AFB) delivered from USA, with 10 more shall be delivered at end of this year or early next year.
may be somebody else come up with more info?
Regards,
Reality Check plz!!
PLA Mk 2 and any other person who believes or think that Baber GLCM is Pakistani Developed is incorrect yet it is Produced in Pakistan.
Does anybody currenty live in karachi? I am Karachite! happens to work near port Qasim and I have seen something which you cant believe moving in public with green tarpnel desprately trying to hide the reality about year back I made a bet with a friend something is up we will have going to some type of Test realy soon…guess what within a weeks Babar GLCM is tested in Somiani Range.
So please! stop it…but i like the straight forward method of TOT!
hahaha
Wouldn`t be amazing if they pull out a Thunder as Saeqeh!:dev2:
My take on Soviet`s checking out IRIAF F-14s in 1980`s have some doubts, I do understand that they did take a look at F-14s, but the whole F-14s flying to Soviet Airbase..is not correct. As things are done in other places, Iraniian could have let Soviet into IRAF Airbase, stay there with there equippment Flew Tomcat shecked her out completely with ever Letting F-14s out of Iranina AirSpace.
That was done in Pakistan AF case with F-16s & PRC they came they flew completely checked it out(From Avionces to Engine) got all the details and left that knowledge was later incorporated in F-10 & JF-17s.
its sounds speculative but very very probable!
Harry & Kursed..They cant be predators..1. at 2506ft View..you could atleast see the wing span..tell me isn`t that huge..Only Global Hawk have these plus tail of UAV is Different then Predator kind of Like V Tail ..2. atleast on one of them you could see big hump..3. Just look at the Wing Span its Huge!(Again!)..I am for sure ..plus the AFB is Shahbaz AFB.(US equippment).
They operate over waziristan-Afghan Border..Hellfires are not coming from them..they are comeing for predators but from Afghan Side…
Regards
These are Global Hawks…Kursed which airbase is this?
Guys..I repeat again Nothing Will Happen…They will just Sit & Watch! Thats the way it is…About that PLAAF/PLAN Vs DPRK AF..I think PLAAF will not able to stike very hard..untill unless they baptised there Su-27/Su-30s/JH-7s may F-10 in to Combat..I dont like to sound War Monger but..This is the only Opportunity where these aircraft will be battle tested..(Propaganda stories a Part) DPRK AF is Old but Well Dig Up..it would not be easy to destroy them..plus they utilised there aircraft as designed originaly..They will fight till Last Aircraft..(I am not taking to considration the Responese Nuclearwise by DPRK)
If DPRK goes towords SK (Highly unlikely) ..I think if any punitive response if possible (will be Airstrikes thats about It)
I think any type of sanctions would do nothing..Even if PRC place it economic sanction on them as well…They will just dig deep and Sit! thats the way it is..untill unless world community do something else other then punitive sanctions..
PRC Vs DPRK(Inprobable but very intersting) Air Combat willl test PLAAF/PLAN to Extreme…but real fight is on Ground with DPRK Army(There is no Army as fananticaly loyal to regime as DPRK Army ) …but at the end of the day…nothing will happen. just punitive sanctions…the world will let North Korean people suffer & Die..
By the way does North Korea have anything like Oil or Something ….may be then US will come along!
Regards
Busher in Iran where one could find F-4 & F-14 standing on Runway..in New over lay there …Now you could see Two F-14s in Blue-Gray Camo, Plus Old Camo F-4..
Note: Find them near Shelters
My posted pictures were regards to near Future of IRIAF Phantom II..I do Like this work horse just as i like Good old Shenyang F6(MiG-19) ..No offense!! May be this would cheer you a bit!
May they should inspire themselves and built this type of aircraft..
Truly Magnificent Fighter!! But her days in IRIAF are numbered! May be IRIAF will only airforce that will use Phantom II in Action for last time!! may this will going to happen!
i saw some footage on PTV, but that showed old JF-17 01 & 03 Flyby..there was not a single picture of JF-17 Prototype 04.
any body have anything..any picture…?
So, as I understan Thunder 01 & 03 have testing radar & weapons since long, Now Thunder 04 will begin Flight envelop testing.
Now have of the work is done…may be they are right by saying fight testing will be complete by end of the year and first deliveries will be made by march 2007, it is possible.
Six months should be more then enough for flight evelope testing but i am not taking into account down time and service time.
It is possible..they have like seven months…