That’s lovely. Has anyone written up a more detailed analysis of the restoration? Clearly they’ve decided to preserve it at a specific moment in time, as it were. I’d be interested to know what kind of decisions they had to make in the process. e.g. didn’t I read somewhere they found a huge 3-digit number painted in white on the cowling which related to its building in the States or something? I notice that it’s not there now. (or is it?). Also, is there a movement history available for public perusal (from 4000 miles away)?
Rob / Kansan
Hi,
Jimmy Nutti is mentioned in Ginger Lacey’s biography, Ginger’s squadron (sorry, can’t remember which, it’s a while since I last read the book) found him orphaned in the far east and took care of him.
The old paperback copy I have includes a B&W photograph of the lad with some of the squadron members.
Paul F
Yup. “Ginger Lacey – Fighter Pilot” by Richard Townshend Bickers And yes, that would be 17 Squadron.
Rob / Kansan
Nah… Canon is in, NIKON is out! :diablo: :p :rolleyes:
Andy
Bah! 1976 Zenit-E with all those lovely M42 lenses. Weighs about 16 tons and has never failed me!! (Oh yes, 1960’s Pentax SV also with M42 – top kit!)
Like Morse said about his Jag MkII “It’s PRE-Electric, that’s why I like it!”
PS Wal-Mart’s 35mm developing is so utterly cheap!! They don’t do enprints, though. π
Digital? What’s that π
Rob / Kansan
Pure Magic. Thanks Jim.
R/K
Go east a bit…
You can also find a bunch of Hillman Huskies in a field in Essex!! π (Thanks to Pete Truman for this tip!).
Have a look around Wichita, Kansas and see if you can see a B-52 parked between the old municpal airfield and the Boeing works. This belongs to the Wichita Aviation Museum. (B-52s must count as Historic?) I don’t know if they are suppressed by being on an active base, but there are some historic types scattered around on external view at McConnell AFB (also in Wichita) which forms the Kansas Air Guard Museum.
Funnily enough I’m in Wichita as I type. Broadband connections in the most modest hotels are a real boon!
Rob / Kansan
BM
Could I just add my apologies in case anything I said in previous posts caused offence to you? This was not intended at all.
Rob / Kansan
Do not know the history of the Speke factories I am afraid although I am sure there was no connection between Rootes (who built it as a shadow factory?) and Standard Triumph. Their presence there would, I think, be after their absorbtion into British Leyland.
Well yes, or indeed no, I agree that there was no connection between the companies themselves. Any Scousers here with long memories? Editors of a certain aviation magazine who I seem to recall lived in the Liverpool 18 area? (I once borrowed a copy of Wrecks and Relics from Allerton Library and someone had underlined the local address of the writer) π
Maybe it’s time I started hassling some of my former workmates back there.
Rob / Kansan
Kansan,
No I certainly don’t think ‘Journeys End’ is clart.Andy
I didn’t think you did.
By modernist I really mean that the ‘slant’ is one of disillusionment at the futility of war. A feeling that authors/playwrights often developed in the post war period.
Another good example of this is the character of Seddon in V.M. Yeates’ ‘Winged Victory’. I think many returnees from the trenches felt that the post war World was a serious let-down, so much so that a certain corporal in Germany got involved with extreme politics and we know what happened there.
A book that explores this idea in some detail is ‘The Flower of Battle’ by Hugh Cecil.
Hmmm, my reading list has just increased by two. π
The film of Journeys End was I think made in the 1960’s. I can see the actors face who played the lead in my minds eye but can’t think of his name (don’t you hate it when that happens).
It makes a change to have a Great War thread running on here.
Cheers
Andy
That’s interesting. It isn’t listed in IMDB and they’re usually pretty good. Sure it was a film?
PS In WWI my grandfather was in the North Norfolks (I think) and then transferred (or was ordered to transfer) to the Cheshire Regiment after they took heavy casualties at some point. He died when I was 4 so I never spoke to him about this or about very much indeed. I do have his medals.
Rob / Kansan
If you read the trivia for this movie, it states that:
The rest of the trivia is pretty amazing too. I never read that far.
Rob
Has anyone got a copy of this film that I might be able to acquire?
I know it has dubious accuracy, among other things, but I’ve been dying to see it for ages!
I didn’t realise this was directed by Roger Corman. (Personal Bias ON)That explains rather a lot. (Personal Bias OFF)
Is this the one where Roy Brown drinks a glass of Red Wine instead of his usual milk when one of the newbie pilots gets killed?
You can get an American or German VHS cassette off Amazon. I just looked. Nothing available at all for the UK.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000339/ for more info on Corman.
R/K
OT – R.C. Sherriff
except Aces High which is a re-hash of ‘Journeys End’ by R.C. Sheriff, which itself was a modernist play about an infantry officer on the eve of the great German assault of March 21st 1918.
There was film of it too.
Andy,
I’m glad you didn’t think “Journey’s End” was clart – R.C. Sherriff was in the trenches in WW1 – Captain in the 9th East Surrey Regiment 1915-1918. He was wounded at Passchendaele [Wikipedia]. The ‘modernist’ bit may be artistic comment but in temporal terms the play was written in 1928 and first performed in 1929.
I remember a dramatisation of the play starring Edward Petherbridge (among others) on the BBC in 1988 (and I’ve still got a video of it somewhere) but IMDB doesn’t list a film apart from a 1918 (??) and the 1930 versions directed by James Whale (who directed Laurence Olivier (yes, him) in the first stage production) – not that *that* matters in this context.
R/K
Kansan
Nope, sorry, but β wrong! β thatβs definitely not a Hillman Husky. Without a doubt, itβs a Standard Vanguard staff car, that stalwart of the British military in various marks throughout the Fifties and well into the Sixties. And in Pic 1, it even carries a COβs pennant, and in the line-up a few messages down, there, third from the left is Wattishamβs Station Commander, so the Vanguard probably brought him to the photo shoot.
CoF. You are a true spotter, sir, and I bow to your superior knowledge. It’s been a long time (as Led Zeppelin once said) been a long time, been a long lonely etc etc…
R/K
Saw the B-17 on the open day a couple of years ago.
Muchas gracias. Thanks for the recent pic too. I had visions of it sitting in pieces in some NASM facilty outhouse analogue like “The Swoose”
R/K
Rotating canopy
This is good stuff and thanks for continuing to post the pix.
I have a question about parts being swapped between the 109s. If you look at the 109E pic it seems to have the late style “Erla” (aka Galland) canopy. While “Black 6” is in the Airfix kit camo scheme (1968) it has a regular canopy. Then in the picture of “Black 6” masquerading as “White 14” (1971) it has an Erla canopy. Are these canopies in some way related? I assume there was a limited supply of 109 canopies in the UK at that time. The train spotter-librarian in me would like to know the 109 from which they originated but that’s excessive detail. π
Just curious, like.
Rob / Kansan
If you looked at one of my threads from a few months ago I published a picture of Black 6 taken at Finningley in the early 60’s.
With regard to the Hillman Husky’s, in a nearby village that I won’t name, a former eccentric employee of Hillman has gathered a collection of Husky’s so vast that they fill what must be a 2 acre orchard, most of the worlds population must be in there. Sorry, been distracted by a heron fishing in my pond.
Apparently when the company folded he decided that the Husky had great
potential and collected every one he could find, if you don’t know about this place it’s impossible to see and find especially in summer when the foliage is high, but the sight of these cars packed together in such a rural environment is amazing. Apparently a few other gems lurk there as well.
Sorry to go off aviation, thought you might be interested.
Pete – Wow! The motor industry employed some odd people in its time π Behind the Asda in Speke/Hunts Cross, Liverpool there used to be a TR7 carcass (static restoration) on a plinth behind a metal cage, because they were afraid it was going to be nicked. The Asda was on the site of the old Triumph factory where I believe something aviation related might have been made during the war.
I wonder if we can find a field full of Hillman Huskies using Google Earth. If someone can find an aeroplane the size of a Solent.
I will look for your black 6 picture.
Rob/Kansan