At the end of the day, nothing changes the fact that no pilot, of any nation, in any aircraft type has ever beaten the F-15 in combat A2A, period, dot.

The fictitious “victory” over USAF Eagles at Cope India has been exposed ad nauseum on this forum, as has the formation-flying “dogfight” at Langley, I believe. And I don’t think even the most hard-core America bashers will believe Venik’s claims over Serbia.

I’m not claiming the Eagle is invincible, but I do think that until someone manages to bring one down in another machine, or at least verifiably and consistently defeats it in a realistic A2A exercise (i.e., the Eagle gets to use its full capabilities), it remains the top dog.

A laughable as the idea that america is the force for good and democracy in this world.

Name one nation that has done more. One. America is the reason all of Europe isn’t forcibly speaking German or Russian at this point. It sure is convenient how short, or selective, some peoples’ memory is. So go ahead – tell me what other nation has done more to promote freedom and democracy. I’d ask you to provide some documentation to back it up, but then of course, people like you tend to be uncomfortable when it comes to providing facts. Rhetoric and propaganda is more your style, isn’t it, comrade?

A former unocal oil company employee is put up for election by the bu$h regime & gets elected in a country under USA occupation.

(Remaining Howard Dean-esque propaganda edited)

Can we return to the A-10/AH-64 issue?