setterBeaufighter
The decision must have been made as to mark of herc and 3 blades or 4 as a result – care to share with us – very interested .
Regards
John P
setterSend me some Bits and I will restore them !!
You might even get some of them back!!!
Seriously – good luck with this – I will be there with bells on the day she flies – Just wish I could be there to help but a 24,000Mile comute round trip is a little challenging.
Regards
John P
setterI was at Both Brooklands and East K last year and this thought occured to me then – why not join up all the dots and create a third Wellington – would be great – I think most of the airframe could be found and the Brooklands crew have all the techniques for the parts which couldn’t be located .
Very good idea I think
John P
setterHi all
I am in Aus and having difficulty buying a Legends 2005 DVD on the Net – most I have found will only sell in Europe – any ideas ?
Regards
John p
setterPaul
Watch Melbourne docks very carefully………………
John p
setterHi
Both were apparently constructed by Melve with parts left from the kit he bought to construct the Stirling and he turned into the Rewind – apparently he became disorientated whilst consuming one too many coffees at the airport Cafe and these are the result.
Regards
John P
setterWell Chaps
I personally Love Legends
Speculation is all part of the fun and shouldn’t be derided – just don’t read the posts if it bores you !!!
Whilst I am lucky to be able to go to the UK every year to see the Legends or whatever I try not to loose my perspective – If you want the best setting in the world with some up close breathtaking flying try WANAKA in New Zealand – Now that is one truely great airshow with lots to offer and see- perhaps not quite the numbers of Dux but every bit as exciting.
In 2006 I expect there will be the La9 , Polikarpovs, Yak 9, 3 P40s at least , two Spits at least, 2 P51s at least, a Corsair, Hurricane etc all mixed in for a great show against alpine snow capped “Lord of the Rings mountains – Now thats worth seeing.
John P
PS saw a very nice pair of P40B wings the other day which should be there in 2006 !!!
setterWhere to start?
Fair exchange is no robbery- this is an oft quoted line from an article on the export of Australian Historic aircraft.
Dating back many years Australia has lost many significant airframes abroad – 137 by my count!!! – including the Hendon Hudson, The Allen Ki43 Oscar ( The last remaining complete aircraft to have attacked Australia), 30 + Spitfires (Wrecks and identities as well as whole airframes), 3 Beaufighters , P40s, P38s and so on and so on.
The point is I used to get really upset by all of this – to what end – they are mostly now all in good homes and preserved and the Australian Warbird scene has never been better. Sure there have been huge mistakes – The Oscar should never have been allowed to leave – but on the whole we are better off as a result of letting natural trade take its course. In any country there are landmark airframes which should be quarantined and kept as sacrosanct at all costs remaining in the country but as for the rest nothing is past the pale in my opinion.
We discuss at length on this site the UK and what takes place there – the facts are it is still a great place to visit and the richness of the scene is still fantastic. As far as the flying Warbird scene in the UK, the basics still need to be addressed sooner than later. I would highlight a few here.
1) Lack of emerging new younger owners
2) Lack of a uniform, clear and transparent process for the importation and operation of new Warbird airframes from Overseas
3) Failure to effectively deal with new operating costs from the commercial operation of aircraft that seem to have migrated mistakenly into Warbird operations
4) Insurance debacle – need to pursue better arrangements for the operation of Historic aircraft.
As long as all of the above continue to plague the UK Scene then the results will be as they are at present – Who would take on a Warbird in the UK at present with all the Buracratic hassells in place. The occasional rich dedicated soul will happen by, but you are definitely weeding out potential sponsors of aircraft who ultimately go off to play with 4 ½ Litre Bentleys or Buy old Trains because it’s easier.
Ah but you say all those aircraft from overseas aren’t safe – well that is the case anywhere and a few UK rebuilds left a bit to be desired – Aus , NZ and the US all have adequate rebuild procedures and nothing here has fallen off in my memory or failed due to dud manufacture so it’s just a furphy – not real
To Sally B – Subjective hogwash.- Sally B represents her kind that did so much to contribute to the history of the UK during WW11 – she is far more a substantially complete and original than the majority of historic aircraft flying about at Legends this year – do a materials audit on some of the Spits and Hurricanes there and I bet a lot of the airframe is new build – not that I have any problem with that as in my opinion it makes them safer anyway – It’s just ludicrous to argue that most of this stuff is historic to the UK and Sally B is less so – Send her down under and we will happily look after her.
The Mosquito – Well I will differ with my colleagues here – I am not happy with any 60+ year old wooden aircraft flying about especially with the power and potential of a Mossie. I am sure you can fettle one up to fly and it will be as safe as possible but it is still 60 years old and techniques and technology move on. I am far happier that Glyn Powell and co in NZ do their thing and build “New” ones from scratch – Better – known quantity – and cheaper? I think we should retire the veterans to the Museum where they belong and be preserved like the Duxford example – Magnificent! As to the wing repair in the UK – Priced a new one from Glynn? – False economy in my opinion if the cost couldn’t be calculated to just build a new one from NZ rather than repair this one- the old wing could be sold and go somewhere else like the Windsor Canada and so on museum aircraft (The fuselage was manufactured by Glyn in NZ anyway!)
The Sunderland – Well Just think about the cost of operating the Sunderland and sally B plus a few other UK historic aircraft and then think about the costs being poured into the Vulcan – misplaced priorities?
Just my thoughts – get into me!!! Just remember I happily come to the UK whenever possible to view the Best place in the world for historic aircraft and I am as committed as anybody to making it even better but people just have to be prepared to open their eyes and minds.
Kindest regards
John P
PS Melvyn Are you selling the Rewind Clobbermiester to start on the Chinese Stirling – not a lot of wood and it has 4 engines ?
setterHi
Copied from a post of mine on WIX re Mandeville NZ and Wanaka accomodation
Hi Re Mandville
Yes I was there last year and I shall again (just booked tonight) next year for a look around – fantastic place with so much rich heritage both DH types and others so Don’t miss it and so close to Wanaka – you would hate to miss out – a Dragon Rapide and a Dragonfly flying on the same field – Fanrtastic plus lots of Tigers . Leapoards, Puss and other types – An Oxford/Ambassador being rebuilt REALLY lots to see and do and they have a nice restraunt etc – well worth the visit
Re Wanaka accomodation
Here are some more of Mrs Setters (Annie) tips for places to stay in Wanaka following her research – get in quick because they seem to dissapear really fast
“Dear Anne,
>
>
> Thank you for your enquiry. The following properties are available for
> Warbirds Over Wanaka Easter 2006, subject to confirmation from the
> property owner. Many of these properties can be viewed on our web site,
> http://www.wanaka-reservations.co.nz but tariffs for warbirds are much
> higher than any other time of the year.
>
>
>
> The property owners have requested a minimum of a 4 night stay.
>
> Cardrona Chalets Modern 2 bedroom fully self contained chalets
> located in the historic
> $200/night village, 15 minutes from Wanaka and 45 minutes
> from Queenstown.
> For more information view the following web page
> http://www.cardronachalets.co.nz/
>
> Sunrise Apartments Modern upmarket 1 and 2 bedroom apartments.
> Amenities
> $400/night Include two bathrooms, garage, and access to
> swimming pool,
> Gym, and tennis court. Each apartment has a
> dishwasher, microwave,
> Flat screen TV, and DVD player. Apartments are
> just a short walk
> To Lake and facilities at Edgewater Resort.
>
> 18 Meadowstone 3 bedrooms ( 1 double, 2 singles, and 1 bunk) 2 bathrooms,
> $180/n dishwasher, microwave, TV, log fire and electric heating,
> washing machine, drier, BBQ, garage. Conventional
> holiday
> home, in Meadowstone
>
> 2Mill End 3brm (1king & 2dbl & 2s) 1 bathroom, dishwasher,
> $300/n microwave, washing machine, TV , log burner,
> dryer. Large unit close to Edgewater Resort,
>
> 64 Bills Way 3brm (1dbl & 4s), new house, deck, dishwasher,
> $300/n microwave, TV, fridge/freezer, washing machine,
> dryer, garage, 2 bathrooms, electric heat.
> Modern home close to Edgewater.
>
> 6 Sycamore 4 bedrooms (2 doubles and 4 singles ) 2 bathrooms,
> dishwasher,
> $400.00/night TV, microwave, log burner, washing machine, drier.
> Large modern
> family holiday home, within walkin distance to
> lake and town.
>
> 106b Kings Drive 4 bedroom new home (3 doubles and 2 singles) 2
> bathrooms
> $450/n dishwasher, microwave, TV, video, DVD player, stereo, BBQ,
> Washing machine, drier, log fire. An upmarket
> apartment, north
> Facing with all day sun.
>
> 20 Winders Rd 4 bedroom (2 doubles and 5 singles) 2 bathrooms, TV,
> $400/n video, stereo, dishwasher, microwave, log burner, gas and
> electric heating, washing machine, dryer. Large
> modern unit.
>
> 122 Mt Iron Dr. 4 bedroom (3 doubles and 2 singles) 2 bathrooms, TV,
> $400/n stereo, dishwasher, microwave, gas and electric heating,
> washing machine, dryer. Modern holiday home in Mt
> Iron
>
> 123 Meadowstone 4 bedroom new home ( 1 Queen bed, 6 singles )
> $450./n Microwave, dishwasher, T.V video, stereo, 2 bathroom,
> washing machine and dryer. Brand new home designed
> with
> flair for indoor outdoor living close to the lake.
>
> 94 Meadowstone Modern 4 bedroom home ( 3double beds and 2 Single beds),
> $450.00/night two bathrooms dishwasher, microwave, fridge/freezer, TV,
> stereo, BBQ,
> washing machine, log fire plus electric heating,
> garage. A large two
> storied home, close to lake and town centre.
>
> 96 Meadowstone New 4 bedroom home ( 2double beds, 3 Single beds, and 1
> bunk) two
> $450.00/night bathrooms, dishwasher, microwave, fridge/freezer, TV, DVD
> player,
> Stereo, BBQ, washing machine, electric heating,
> heat pump, garage.
> A large two storied new home, close to lake and
> walking distance to town
>
> 559 Anderson Rd., 4 bedroom house ( 2 Double beds and 4 single beds)
> $400.00/night 2 bathrooms, dishwasher, microwave, TV, video,
> Stereo,
> washing machine, dryer. Modern character house
> situated
> behind the township on Mt Iron with panoramic
> views .
>
>
>
> Linen is not supplied but can be hired at $14.00 per person per week, or
> you are welcome to make your own arrangements. Our aim is to provide an
> enjoyable and relaxing holiday experience with all the comforts of a home
> away from home. We have photographs of most properties and further
> information should you require. We look forward to hearing from you soon.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Pete and Annette Barrow
> Wanaka Reservations
> PO Box 144
> Wanaka
>
> http://www.wanaka-reservations.co.nz/
> 0064 03 443 1599
> 0274 332 460
>
and …….
Hi >From Wanaka,
We have just had a cancellation for a brand new luxury 2
bedroom apartment,Alpine Resort Lake Wanaka.Sky digital,DVD,
modern kitchen,own lock- up garage,own laundry.On site tennis
court,heated pool,jacuzzi, gym/games room,and petanque court.
Rate is $295 per couple and $45 per extra guest.If interested
please advise and I will get my personal assistant to email
some photos.As the complex is brand new and not due for final
completion until November 10 so the website is not built.Easter
is a 4 night minimum
Regards,
Michael.
+64 21484437
and ……………..
Dear Anne,
I have been forwarded your email by Lake Wanaka Tourism in the hope I can find you some accommodation here in Cromwell as all accommodation is now completely full in Wanaka.
Cromwell is a 35 minute drive from Wanaka and if you are going to the Air show ,as most people seem to be, the airfield is on the Cromwell side of Wanaka.
Most accommodation in Cromwell is also booked however I can offer you a motel unit, brand new still under construction but finished well before April or Home stay bed and breakfast accommodation.
Please get back to me if you would like to be accommodated here in Cromwell and I will get back to you with the options and prices.I will be able to book the accommodation on your behalf if you are able to supply your credit card details.
Yours sincerely
Helen Scoles
Manager
setterPerhaps he and Russell Crowe can swap phonr numbers ?
Regards
John P
PS Re the earlier post – Aren’t B29 turrets the same as the A26 sp won’t one of those fit – I imagine there are a few of those lying about somewhere .
setterVery funny Oscar but you get the gist – PC and woserism has gone mad- as if anybody could be offended – park her next to Big Nig when Murray gets her running and watch it then!!!!
JP
setterWell as far as I’m concerned nobody ever asks to have the Statue of David’s old fella covered up or a thousand other historic nudes and this is just another historic nude – in the 60s nodbody would have batted an eyelid – want to talk about showing obsenity – stop the showing the nightly news first – Go for it Randal !!!!
Regards
John p
setterAccomodation at Wanaka
Hi Guys – accomodation at Wanaka is very scarce – Mrs Setter has just done our bookings and we are now fine but trust me if you are going and haven’t booked – get cracking it will be hard
For those of you who want to crash togethere in a large nice house here is a lead Anne doenloaded from an email she got this morning
“Kia Ora
Lake Wanaka Tourism informs me that you are searching for accommodation over
the Warbirds Over Wanaka weekend. We have just released a large family home over
the show which is still currently available.
Wanaka House is a 4 bedroom house that can sleep 8 and is available at a
nightly rate of $700. This rate includes all linen, power and GST.
Please note that there is a minimum 4-night stay over the show weekend.
Please have a look at the website http://www.wanakacottage.co.nz for some images
and description on the property – go to the House Rental Page and Gallery Page for images.
With kind regards
Linzi
Wanaka House
T: 03 443 8425
Regards
John P
setterOscar
Wonderful
Well chosen – Look great with all the TBMs in the air together soon !
John P
setterWell done
Looks tremendous – great to see her in the “proper scheme ”
Regards
John p
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