BoB 109s
Les Messerschmitt dans la Bataille d’Angleterre. Mister Kit et Michael Payne, Editions Atlas, 1980, ISBN 2-7312-0012-X. Formidable.
Sabre from JP656
I believe the Caen Museum and the Sabre from JP656 recovery, which appear separately on DaveR’s list, are in fact the same engine. The Typhoon replica which hangs in the Museum is painted as JP656.
Three at least in France, at Caen, Bayeux and Tilly sur Seulles (or were …).
Foulness targets
I think the ‘targets’ in the fifties would have been more likely Tempests than Typhoons. The latter had mostly disappeared into smelters in the late forties but a number of retired Tempest TT.5s were sold to the Ministry of Supply and were allocated to Foulness in 1956. Indeed, the RAF Museum’s example was recovered from there by 33 Sqn in 1958, for use in their presentation of standard celebrations, and thence to Middleton St George gate.
Many thanks for the replies so far – it is the Mk.1 (T) I am after – as dropped to the SAS in Germany April 1945. White looks favourite so far?
photo 38
Vampire T.11 XJ774 was allocated to the Central Navigation and Control School, Shawbury, which became the Central Air Traffic Control School in 1963 – as suggested 170 posts ago (engaging Slightly Smug Mode).
Many thanks ‘673. Any more details very welcome.
Wg Cdr Derek Walker was killed in a P-51D at Hendon.
MN304
My comments on MN304 are based on its Form 78, which shows it was delivered to 51 MU Lichfield on or about 11 Feb 44, issued to 257 Sqn on 3 Mar 44. An accident card shows it was with 164 sqn on 5 June 44; the allocation to 164 Sqn is not on the Form 78 (2ndTAF did not record issues in the pre-D-Day period), so many previous captioners have assumed it was ‘FM-N’ of 257 Sqn or ‘EL-N’ of 181 Sqn – it was neither. It was repaired after the wheels up landing and saw further service with 197 and 198 Sqns. 174 Sqn postwar is also on the Form 78 but it would seem this was an error for MN306. MN304 was stored at 5 MU from April 45 and scrapped there in Setember 46.
The ‘histories’ in Mason’s book are …. words fail me.
Typhoon Identified
It is MN304, FJ-N of 164 Sqn, taking off from Thorney Island, 2 or 3 days before D-Day. Photo was RAF Official – now part of the IWM collection. On the evening of 5 June 1944, its pilot spotted the Invasion fleet setting sail and was so excited he forgot to lower the undercarriage when landing …
Books
With a callsign like ‘Mekon’ you must be about my vintage!
British Experimental Jet Aircraft, 1941-1986, by Barrie Hygate, Argus Books, 1990. ISBN 1 85486 010 0
42 types from Gloster ‘Whittle’ to EAP. Development histories and scale plans.
British Secret Projects – Jet Fighters Since 1950, by Tony Buttler, Midland Counties, 2000. ISBN 85780 095 8
Fascinating stuff, includes paper-only projects.
Only one RAF Yak?
If there was a Yak in RAF markings in 1944 it was not Storrar’s – he started 1944 at 53 OTU as CFI, then commanded the Air Dispatch Letter Service based at Northholt, before commanding 64 and the 165 Sqns at the end of the year – all in the UK. He did not reach Italy until January 1946, when he was WCF 239 Wing.
The attached photos show his Yak in RAF markings, with his ‘JAS’ marking, and two shots of the Bulgarian defector’s Yak 9 in its Bulagarian markings (over Russian stars) at Bari in 1946. If the triangular marking beneath the tailplane is a serial, then the two aircraft are the same – both showing ’72’ over ‘7087’.
Typhoon identity
The code letter style/position and camouflage pattern of Typhoon EL-P precisely match those on Typhoon EL-P RB395 which served with 181 Squadron between January and September 1945. (Photos in ‘Typhoon and Tempest Story’ and Air Britain’s ‘Sqns of the RAF and Commonwealth’, 1988).
Any chance of reading the codes on the Typhoon beneath the nose of the Ju352? EL, XM, SF or ZY and its probably Lubeck, F3, 5V or I8 would suggest Flensburg, while HH, BR or MR could mean Schleswig.
181 sqn Typhoons (EL codes) could have been photographed at one of dozens of bases as the unit was part of one of the 2nd TAF’s mobile Wings. However, 181 were at Lubeck for a month immediately after the end of the war – and so was Ju352 ‘Air Min 8’ which was captured at Flensburg but used by RAE Farnborough to ferry captured equipment to the UK. An apparently full log of its jouneys can be found in Phil Butler’s excellent ‘War Prizes’. It was also at Schleswig, another Typhoon base along with Flensburg, so there are at least three options for the photo location.
In this same immediate postwar period 41 sqn (EB codes) was based at Lubeck with Spit XIVs.
Tempest practice bomb carrier
Could this be your mystery part? As you see the carrier just fitted externally to the standard bomb carrier. I know it was in use on OTU Typhoons – so why not Tempests too? The photo shows one on a BAFO Tempest immediately post war. Incidentally, I think the practice bombs were only 20 lb apiece.