RimmerWe heard Pakistan is going to have indigenous Predator cause US is not willing to sell. Wasn’t there a rumour that US would assist in developing? Those GBU12 are part of the Reaper/Predator. I bet the Hellfire would have been more valuable.
About the numbers. Well, you cannot blaim the Pakistani. They have seen the US walking out when they needed them the most. The most important part of getting US weapons is probably securing spare parts for the moment you need them. We see its biggest neighbour arming up and there is no suprise what a smaller more vulnerable nation does.
No, this massive Package is for use with our Block 52s and MLU upgrades.
Yes, a smaller air force should ensure every sortie in war counts hence heavu investment in US and home made (RAAD, Babur) PGMs,
RimmerSo, PAF received in the nineties a copy of the MiG-21 of the fifties? That’s odd. What’s more, some of them should be just 10 years in service, so indeed not old at all. Why would PAF want to get rid of them so early, one might wonder?
Of course, SeAF wouldn’t buy all of them, but they would probably ask for some of the latest airframes, not the earliest.
Not odd, many air forces are receiving F-15s, Jaguars etc.These are 70s designs.
They are being replaced by JF-17s. First F-7s then Mirage ROSEs are being phased out. In fact PAF now has 40 surplus A-5s that JF-17 has replaced.
The newer F-7s have plenty of life left. PAF may offer them for sale. The only problem maybe Pakistan is very pro Bosnia-Herogovina.
RimmerHow many years have they been flying and how many flying hours do they have left?
First F-7s were delivered in early 90s and last ones in late 90s. So certainly not old. Not sure of hours on the frame though.
RimmerIn about 1-2 years there will be 100-150 F-7P and soon F-7PG airframes available from PAF.
Advantges include
1) Relativleycheap to make NATO compatable as already have Grifo Radar and AIM-9M
2) Serb pilots know the MIG-21well
3) Ideal for policing role
4) PAF will certainly not want alot of money
RimmerHigh-level Pak-US dialogue begins on 18th
WASHINGTON: The US capital, always a hub of political activity, is set to witness intense rounds of high-stake dialogue between Pakistani and US officials which will commence with the arrival of Pakistan navy chief, Admiral Noman Bashir on March 17.
Amiral Noman Bashir will begin top-level negotiations with the US officials in the Pentagon on March 18. Only days after the arrival of Admiral Bashir, chief of army staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is reaching Washington to hold very important dialogue with the US officials on the issue of regional security. Gen Kayani is expected to meet, among others, the US national security advisor Gen James Jones, secretary defence Robert gates, secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Admiral Mullen and ambassador Holbrooke. ISI chief Gen Shuja Pasha is also expected to join Gen Kayani in the dialogue with the top US officials.
In the last week of March foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi will be in Washington with a high-level delegation to lead Pak-US strategic dialogue. The US side is expected to be led by secretary of state Hillary Clinton.
Then, in the second week of April, Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani will arrive here to attend the Nuclear Security Summit, which is being hosted by US President Obama. Forty-three (43) heads of state or governments are expected to attend the summit. Prime Minister Gilani is due to arrive here on April 11. Besides attending the summit he is expected to meet President Obama. Top Pakistani and US officials are also working to arrange a meeting between the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Prime Minister Gilani though it is not confirmed yet whether such meeting will take place.
A US official said on condition of anonymity: “I hope it takes place in a good atmosphere because we are really working hard not only to get it done but also to make it meaningful.” Some officials also indicated that the prime minister might go to New York for a day as well.
RimmerThe fact it is a lady should actually not have anything to do with the matter. PAF now has lady pilots as do many air forces. If a lady is very good then a very average male pilot got what he deserves…..
RimmerDont forget these LGB top ups were excess US aid rushed to us. This does not form part of the MASSIVE package of JDAMs and LGBs we have ordered as part of the Block 52 deal. PAF (for an air force its size), will have precision munitions up to its eyeballs…
According to DSCA
500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits; 1,600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs; 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs; and 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound with FMU-143 Fuze.
The exercis will be good to see how our integration of F-16, JF-17s, AWACs and refuellers work. In fact credit to PAF for doing such an ambitious exercise so quickly after the induction of so many assetts. The lessons learned will be invaluable in helping to refine tactics and doctrine with our new force multiplyers.
RimmerISLAMABAD, March 12: Pakistan Air Force will hold its biggest exercises in the third week of this month. The exercises will cover the entire country, from Skardu in the north to Arabian Sea in the south.
Sources told Dawn on Friday that High Mark 2010 would be different from all previous exercises because it would also feature operations involving army and navy personnel.
The recently inducted squadron of JF-17 Thunder aircraft and all other fighter jets will participate in the war games.
The sources said all new inductions, including the Swedish Airborne Early Warning and Control planes and mid-air refueller aircraft, would take part in the High Mark-2010 which was expected to continue for about 45 days.
RimmerIs actually a good think F-15 pilots dont mark their birds with every simulated kill they achieve as there would be alotof embarassed air forces the world over….
RimmerI have heard this will be the biggest ever joint exercise Pakistan has conducted.
Pakistan’s biggest joint military exercises High Mark 2010 commence in next three days
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is organizing country’s biggest joint military exercises Exercise “High Mark-2010” with Pak Army and Pak Navy.
According to Spokesperson of PAF, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman briefed Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani about these exercises.
The Army Chief along with senior army officers visited the Air Headquarters in Islamabad on Friday.
Exercise “High Mark-2010” would cover the entire country from Skardu in the North till Arabian Sea in the South.
According to sources of PAF , the Army Chief praised the organizing of exercises, saying it would not only further enhance the integration and cooperation amongst the three services but would also make three forces professionally prepared to meet any eventuality.
The exercise will include joint operations with extensive participation from Pak Army and Pak Navy.
The Air Chief while giving briefing to COAS said that PAF would test the capability of its force, new system of planes, fleets and missile system.
According to sources, the military leadership has praised the process of training of armed forces despite the on-going war on terror and other issues related to the internal security.
Sources said that these exercises would be started in three to four days.
RimmerTwo Pakistani ships, submarine to participate in DIMDEX 2010
DOHA: Pakistan Embassy has announced the participation of Pakistan Navy in DIMDEX 2010. Two ships and a submarine will be arriving at the Doha Port on March 28 to participate in the exhibition and seminar.
Units participating include PNS Zulfiquar, a frigate recently commissioned in Pakistan Navy. The ship is fitted with state of the art weapons and sensors and carries a Z9EC helicopter.
The ship is part of the F-22P Project which encompasses construction of three frigates in China and also envisages complete transfer of technology for the construction of fourth ship at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works.
PN Submarine Humza is also going to be present in Doha during the exhibition. The submarine was constructed by Pakistan Navy in collaboration with DCNS of France.
Hamza is the first submarine to incorporate Mesma which is an air independent propulsion system installed to achieve an increase in submerged endurance. The submarine by virtue of its weapons and sensors outfit, equipment efficiency, stealth and well-knit crew is fully capable of undertaking variety of missions.
Third unit to be present at the DIMDEX is PN Missile boat Quwwat. PNS Quwwat was constructed at the Karachi shipyard in 2006. It is fitted with ‘state of the art weapons and sensors. It can be utilized in variety of roles like maritime interdiction operations, anti-surface vessel operations, Air Defence, Coastal defense, ESM support, picket duties and SAR.
Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir NI(M) and DG Maritime Security Agency Rear Admiral Tehseenullah Khan SI(M) will also be attending the exhibition.
The ships will be open to visit by Pakistani school children on March 31 from 8 am to 10 am and for Pakistan community members from 3 pm to 5 pm. Community members interested to visit the ships may contact Pakistan embassy for entry passes by March 20.
RimmerPakistan navy test fires missiles, torpedoes
2010/03/12
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday successfully test fired new missiles and torpedoes from ships, submarines and aircraft in the Arabian Sea, the navy announced.
“Pakistan navy fleet today tested its fire power in the north Arabian Sea to assess lethality, precision and efficacy of its weapon system,” it said.
The navy did not disclose range or technical details but said “this included successful firing of a variety of missiles and torpedoes from the ships.”
The tests included anti-surface missiles from an F-22P frigate, acquired recently from China, air-to-surface missiles from P-3C aircraft and sub surface-to-surface missiles from Agosta 90B submarines that originate from France.
“While reassuring Pakistan navy’s commitment of defending the motherland, this strike capability would also send a message of deterrence to anyone harbouring nefarious designs against Pakistan,” the statement said.
South Asian rivals India and Pakistan — which have fought three wars, two of them over the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir — routinely carry out missile tests since both demonstrated nuclear weapons capability in 1998.
RimmerUpdated list of high hour PAF Viper pilots courtesy of F-16.net
2000+ hour patch
Wg.Cmd. Tariq Zia (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
| 9 sqn
Irfan Ahmed (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Cdt. M. Haseeb Paracha (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
9 sqn | 11 sqn
Air.Cmd. Ashfaq Arain (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Wg.Cmd. Aamir Masood (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
| 9 sqn
1000+ hour patch
Air.Vice.Marsh. Farhat Hussain Khan (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Ali Naeem Zahoor (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn
Air Vice Marshall Athar Bokhari (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Wg.Cmd. Fauad Masud Hatmi (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn
Air.Cmd. Khaleel Ahmed (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn
Wg.Cmd. Javad Saeed (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Khalid Mahmood (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Wg.Cmd. Waqas Ahmed Sulehri (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Wg.Cmd. Hamza Jamil (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Omair Ahmed Najmi (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn
Sqn.Ldr. Khalid Mehmood (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
9 sqn
Sqn.Ldr. Azman Khalil (Updated: 1 Feb 2010)
Sqn.Ldr. Mustafa “Lightening” Orakzai (Updated: 17 Feb 2010)
11 sqn
Cdr. Sayed Muzaffar Ali (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Ali Asad Khan (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Muhammad Azam (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Wg.Cmd. Azher Hassan (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Air.Cmd. Razi Nawab (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Muhammad Iqbal (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Air.Cmd. Tariq Mahmud Ashraf (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Air.Vice.Marsh. Waseem-ud-din (Ret.) (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Air.Vice.Marsh. Mohammad Yousaf (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
Sqn.Ldr. Syed Omer Shah (Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn
RimmerPAF F-7 (all to be shortly replaced by JF-17), Courtesy of Pakdef
Equipped with new RWR, AIM-9M, Grifo 7 Radar, Martin Baker MK10 seat.
Also has nice, smart air superiority scheme.
RimmerI thought the ROSE Mirages had some sorta BVR capability. Do they ? If so what is the missile used ?
Not that I am aware of..
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