F-16s for Pak could cloud Indian MRCA deal
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/f16sforpakcouldcloudiafs126planedealindiatous/595970/2
U.S. and Pakistan Agree to Reinforce Strategic Ties
WASHINGTON — Pakistan and the United States wrapped up two days of high-level talks on Thursday, with a raft of economic development initiatives, an agreement to hasten deliveries of military hardware and a promise to put their often mistrustful relationship on a new footing.
In a communiqué issued after the talks, the countries said they would “redouble their efforts to deal effectively with terrorism” and would work together for “peace and stability in Afghanistan.”
Administration officials said Pakistan was likely to get swifter delivery of F-16 fighter jets, naval frigates and helicopter gunships, as well as new remotely piloted aircraft for surveillance missions. But the United States was silent about Pakistan’s most heavily advertised proposal: a civil nuclear agreement similar to the one the Bush administration signed with Pakistan’s archrival, India.
Given Pakistan’s history of selling nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea, such an agreement would realistically be 10 or 15 years away, a senior administration official said Thursday. Still, the administration was careful not to dismiss the idea out of hand.
“This is a new day,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in greeting Pakistan’s foreign minister, Shah Mahmood Qureshi. “For the past year, the Obama administration has shown in our words and our deeds a different approach and a different attitude toward Pakistan.”
The “strategic dialogue” was by itself meant to send a message: The administration used the term reserved for the substantive, wide-ranging exchanges it carries on with important countries like China and India. Pakistan and the United States held three such dialogues during the Bush administration.
But last year, Mr. Qureshi asked Mrs. Clinton to upgrade the exchange to the level of foreign minister. On Wednesday, he said he hoped the two days of higher-level talks would help Pakistan and the United States overcome a history that “did not always enjoy a sunny side.”
Mr. Qureshi said the United States had agreed to put on a fast track some longstanding Pakistani requests for military hardware.
Although Mrs. Clinton deflected a question about civil nuclear cooperation, she said, “We’re committed to helping Pakistan meet its real energy needs.”
Among specific announcements was an agreement for the United States Agency for International Development to help Pakistan upgrade three thermal power plants. The administration said it would try to push through legislation creating so-called reconstruction opportunity zones in Pakistan. And it hopes to set up a fund to stimulate direct foreign investment.
Pakistan’s military campaign against Taliban insurgents in the Swat Valley and South Waziristan has improved the tenor of its relationship with Washington. But success on the battlefield cuts both ways for Pakistan, analysts said. It gives the country’s government in Islamabad a more credible argument for increased military aid. But it also imposes greater expectations from the United States about Pakistan’s counterinsurgency efforts and military cooperation.
“Yes, you get a pat on the back,” said Bruce O. Riedel, an expert on Pakistan at the Brookings Institution. “But now that you’ve shown you can do something, you’ve got to do more.”
Pakistan’s role in Afghanistan also remains a subject of intense scrutiny in the United States. The Pakistani authorities cooperated with the Central Intelligence Agency to capture the Taliban’s military chief, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar. But some analysts question whether the Pakistanis are rounding up other Taliban leaders, including shadow Afghan governors, simply to make sure that Pakistan has leverage in any future political bargaining in Kabul.
Mr. Qureshi insisted that Pakistan wanted Afghanistan to lead this process. “If they feel we can contribute, if we can help, we’ll be more than willing to help,” he said. “But we leave it to them.”
On this subject, however, administration officials are more interested in hearing from Pakistan’s chief of army staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who was part of the delegation. General Kayani recently held talks in Islamabad with Afghanistan’s president, Hamid Karzai, and the general is viewed as critical to determining the role Pakistan will play.
Of all the raw nerves in the relationship, Pakistan’s nuclear ambitions may be the most sensitive. Islamabad yearns for an agreement with the United States because it would confer legitimacy on Pakistan’s existing program.
But Washington does not formally recognize Pakistan as a nuclear power. The selling of nuclear secrets by the father of its nuclear program, Abdul Qadeer Khan, and the country’s refusal to allow American investigators to have access to him ensures that this recognition may be a long way off.
“The question is, can you move somewhere toward giving legitimacy to a Pakistani nuclear program?” said Daniel S. Markey, senior fellow for India, Pakistan and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Is there space between a civil nuclear deal and just saying ‘no’?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/world/asia/26policy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
F-16s and OHP Frigates are already arriving in summer so are they talking of additional equipment?
PN Sub saga continues, seems like it may not be German sub afterall!
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/…bmarines-hs-04
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Navy is in discussions with China and France to acquire seven latest conventional submarines, negotiations with Germany to purchase three U-214 is also on cards.
Chinese version offers economical price of around $230 million for each boat.
To negotiate with French DCN Company for Marline Submarines, a high level naval delegation will visit France on April 27.
Reliable sources from Pakistan Navy told DawnNews that after three years of continuous negotiations with Germany PN has decided to avail some other options as well for acquiring next-generation submarines.
Sources maintained that Islamabad is deeply interested in acquiring four Chinese Yuan and Song Class and three French Marlin class latest diesel electric conventional versions in a bid to meet any challenge from the rapidly expanding Indian navy.
Initially German company HDW had drawn up technical specifications for three U-214 boats and a billion dollars contract also intact and was almost final.—DawnNews
PAF ACM actually taking part in High Mark 2010
Dialogue Seeks to Strengthen U.S.-Pakistani Ties
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, March 23, 2010 – Talks between Pakistani and American officials seek to strengthen, broaden and deepen the ties between the two countries, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said here today.
High-level talks between the United States and Pakistan are designed to chart the course of the relationship between the two nations as they move forward. “This is a meeting between equals,” said a military official speaking on background. “Both countries will gain from this discussion.”
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will participate in the discussions, but the Strategic Dialogue – as it is being called – is not primarily a security discussion.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will lead the American side and Pakistani Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi is her opposite number. The dialogue stresses the U.S.-Pakistani partnership that goes far beyond security. “It represents a shared commitment on the part of both nations to strengthening the bilateral relationship and building an even broader partnership based on mutual respect and mutual trust,” Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, President Obama’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said last week.
The meetings begin at the State Department tomorrow, and the dialogue encompasses all aspects of U.S.-Pakistani relations. Also participating are Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar, the adviser to the prime minister on social issues, Wazir Ali; the adviser to the prime minister on agriculture and water, Majid Ullah; the chief of staff of the army, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, and many others.
Among the American delegation are Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Deputy Secretary of State Jack Lew, Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin, National Security Council Senior Director David Lipton, the administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development Rajiv Shah, and others.
“This dialogue is designed to produce a better long-term strategic relationship between our two countries,” Morrell said. “This is not simply about asking and receiving items.”
The whole range of U.S-Pakistani relations will be discussed. The United States and Pakistan can discuss agricultural methods and new means of irrigation. “Water and electricity are becoming problems in Pakistan,” said the military official. “We can certainly share some experiences on those.”
Delivering education is important, as is increasing the effectiveness of civil service personnel. Participants in the dialogue also will address ways to improve the image of America among the Pakistani population, officials said.
Gates and Mullen met with Gen. Kayani at the Pentagon yesterday. They will continue the meeting on Thursday. Pakistani lessons in the counterinsurgency campaign, intelligence-sharing and training will be discussed.
The military-to-military relationship between the two countries is improving. Both sides are trying to overcome the effects of the Pressler Amendment, which forbade the U.S. military from dealing with the Pakistanis for 12 years. More exercises, more training together, more military exchanges between the United States and Pakistan are needed, the official said, and that is being planned.
The bottom line is that both the United States and Pakistan are democracies and it is in both countries’ interests to work together. “The United States is supporting Pakistan as it seeks to strengthen democratic institutions, as it seeks to foster more economic development, expand opportunities, deal with its energy and water problems and defeat the extremist groups who threaten both Pakistan’s security and stability in the larger region and American national security as well,” Holbrooke said.
World has always benefited from Pakistan-US partnership: FM
WASHINGTON, March 24 (APP): Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Tuesday said Pakistan-US partnership is in the interest of the world as he underscored the need for long-term strategic relationship between the two allies.He was speaking at Pakistan Day reception at the Pakistani embassy by Ambassador Husain Haqqani. The reception was attended by top American officials including President Obama’s National Security Adviser James Jones, lawmakers, US ambassador in Islamabad Anne Paterson, and Washington-based diplomats from several foreign missions.
Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar, Chief of the Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Finance Adviser Abdul Hafeez Shaikh and federal secretaries, who are here for the Strategic Dialogue with the United States, attended the reception.
“Whenever the United States and Pakistan have partnered the world has benefited,” Qureshi remarked, addressing the gathering.
He said during the last year or so Pakistan has made substantial progress in several fields including economy and democratic reforms despite facing many challenges and the country’s armed forces have fought militants successfully.
“I am here to build a partnership with the United States based on mutual trust, confidence and shared objectives.
“We have made progress in Pakistan and the world is acknowledging our sacrifices.
“We are ready to deliver, we are ready to move, let’s build a partnership which is lasting,” he stated.
Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani, earlier, welcomed the gathering which included Congressman Chris Van Hollen, Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, Deputy Secretary of State Jack Lew, Chief of the US Air Force General Norton Schwatz and several other senior Pentagon and State Department officials.
The top Pakistani officials also exchanged views with National Security Adviser James Jones on bolstering bilteral relaionship in a range of areas.
http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99202&Itemid=2
Pak Navy’s special show enthrals public
KARACHI: Celebrating Pakistan Day with traditional zeal and fervour, Pakistan Navy Aviation and Special Services Units held a Special Show at Sea View on Tuesday.
The event was a magnificent display of operational drills and exercises which included free falls, para jumps and beach landing by special services commandos, skim past and fast maneuvers by fast speed boats, a demonstration of Sea King helicopters, unarmed combat demonstration, simulated assault using fast boats and water scooters and hovercraft maneuvers by Pak Marines.
The show was open for general public and was witnessed by a large number of people from different walks of life. They gave huge rounds of applause to the defenders of Pakistan’s sea frontiers. The show manifested Pakistan Navy’s four-dimensional defence capability and its commitment to uphold the honour of the motherland at all costs. online
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010%5C03%5C24%5Cstory_24-3-2010_pg12_9
U.S. Naval Academy Hosts Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff
ANNAPOLIS, Md. (NNS) — Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Noman Bashir visited the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., March 22, to meet with U.S. Navy midshipmen and observe how the academy educates and trains future U.S. Navy and Marine Corps officers.
Bashir was greeted upon arrival at the academy by Commandant of Midshipmen Rear Adm. (select) Matthew Klunder.
“Pakistan is one of only two countries that have four midshipmen at the United States Naval Academy,” said Klunder. “That shows how strong our partnership is and we hope to continue that partnership in the Navy and at the Naval Academy for years to come.”
The academy’s director of international programs briefed Bashir on how the institution’s academic and officer development programs. The presentation also described how students from Pakistan are fully integrated into the Brigade of Midshipmen.
“We are very proud of the young men you are sending us,” said Klunder to Bashir. “They’ve been exceptional ambassadors for your country.”
Bashir is in the United States on a ten-day visit at the invitation of the U.S. Navy. While there, he is scheduled to meet with various U.S. military and government officials to discuss opportunities for continued coordination and cooperation between the U.S. and Pakistan navies
ASTOR
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475910/posts
F 35
Again for your cheap dig against SPYDER, it is like saying because the USAF operates early block F 16s the Block 60 desert eagle is not good. Israel may not have a current need to procure it.
And no Israel is one of our unconditional allies they flew in LGB kits and Litening Pods and helped integrate them with our Mirages during Kargil war time. Now not many friends would do that for you ;). And with a lot to gain there is no chance of them selling us a ‘lame duck’.
Rimmer the AEGIS and Patriot are a given You can write to to Raytheon and Lockheed PR to confirm it yourself.
1. They were offering it at Def Expo this year
2. I gave you links straight from Raytheon’s website about Patriot and dated this year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/technology/rtn10_defexpo/news8/index.html <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I dont doubt that Ratheyeon or Lockheed would love to sell them, just like the makers of the F-22 would love to sell it abroad. These will not be cleared. especially not in the current geo-political envoironment.
Again, I will stick to reliable media and not Indian sites no one has even heard of. No offence.
Please do not be delusional about any country being a “unconditional ally”.
Israel is selling India weapons for something called PROFIT. Nothing more, nothing less. They dont give these weapons for free or out of the goodness of their hearts. They will sell to almot anyone, please dont misinterpretat this as an “unconditional ally”.
The momment you cannot pay for anything or Isreals interests conflict with yours the supply will run dry….
If you spent a couple of minutes googling before making your proclamations you would find many sources that bellie your assertions.
Here is one for a start.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/19/AR2005071901847.html
And please dont tell me that the Washington Post is part of the Indian Press.
If you spent more time reading the actual articles you post.
Firstly, this was 5 years ago, secondly, and I will highlight this for you so you can try and comprehend it
“But Pentagon officials said they considered many of the potential sales, including anti-submarine patrol aircraft that could spot Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean and Aegis radar for Indian destroyers operating in the strategic Straits of Malaka, as useful for monitoring the Chinese military.”
Nice try…..
Just recheck my previous post I have given links about Patriot from Raytheon site itself.
The Indian press Jibe on AEGIS do not work because.
1. It is a direct quote from Lockheed.
2. They are paying to write in one of India’s leading National Security Magazines trying to sell AEGIS.
3. They were at Def Expo offering it.
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As for SPYDER its acknowledged as one of the most capable systems of its kind. Now there are a lot of things that are not battle proven that Israel has developed, like the trophy Armour protection system, does that make it any less effective ?
Quadbike
Several countries were at IDEX offering Pakistan all sorts of equipment, much of which can never be cleared. Likewise for India.
Lets not get into “my one is bigger” and “we can get better stuff from the US”
Also, link for when India has been recently offered ASTOR and F-35?
Again, do you posts ever bear any semblence to reality?
We can go one with that discussion for a looooong time. US has denied many things to India in the past. Its ironic that US help on the LCA still faces restrictions yet in 3 months Block 52 F-16s with AMRAAM and JDAMS will be in Pakistan.
Anyway, we digress.
SPYDER is good “on paper” as are many systems, how does that back up your claim its a world beater?
If it is so great how is India the only customer for this?
Why has it not been ordered by IDF?
Ever get the feeling you may have been sold a lame duck?
While there have been some reports regarding the Kitty Hawk most here knew it was just speculation.
As for PAC 3 being offered to India you can either google or check the last few issues of dti (hardly Indian)
AEGIS has been offer to India for ages ;). So much so that Lockheed made RAdm Catherine Page wrote an article on Force magazine last month about it.
Your bias is amazing 🙂
As for SPYDER israelis often operate the best weapon systems which are battle proven and developed and often they are not exported.
Again, apart from Indian press, no reliable source is qouting PAC3 or AEGIS. As you admitted, Kitty Hawk was speculation so lets wait for something more reliable. Dont want egg on our faces again….
Yes, Israelis have produced some great kit, but not everything they make is a wonder weapon, and SPYDER has certainly not seen battle, so lets not start comparing a system that
1) Is not in service anywhere yet
2) Has not been ordered by the IDF itself
to NATO systems in use by several countries.
Please (and I so want to hear this one!), how did you come up with this conclusion!?
It will depend on the Availability of the aircraft in question, the Phalcons have bigger range than smaller systems and also has 360 degree coverage.
But you are right the IL 76 platform means its availability won’t be as good as smaller platforms a third would be necessary to provide seamless coverage.
That was my point. Additionally, even with 3, when one undergoes overhaul 2 cannot provide seamless coverage….
Another deal for 3 more was signed with 3 more as option ,bringing total Phalcon to 6 +3(optional).While DRDO developed AWACS will be inducted in numbers starting 2013.
The lights are on, but the house was emptied years ago huh?
I was responding to the article which incorrectly claimed that 2 AWACs can provide coverage on 2 fronts. Let me guess, you have a math equation showing me I am wrong?
PS extra 3 have not been signed for. Please check facts before posting.
The Missile does have some noticeable external similarities with the SA 6 but the actual performance is similar to the BUK M1.
SPADA is a different class of missile system I think you should compare it to the SPYDER Quick Reaction SAM IAF is inducting. The SPYDER is state of the art and better in its envelope than most NATO systems.
India is already developing MR-SAM with Israel and have been offered the PAC 3 and IN has been offered AEGIS system for ships by the U.S.A
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Dude, please. Your one of the more sane ones.
If we go by Indian press reports then you guys would be sailing F-35 equipped Kitty Hawk carriers.
AEGIS and PAC3 are not on the table for India.
Also, funny how SPYDER is so good yet only India has ordered it.
All those NATO nations sue must be stupid not being as clever huh?
Or let me guess, you have no evidence to back up your claims again?