It’s hard to imagine that this is the same cockpit section which was restored, albeit cosmetically, by Fairey Engineering back in the late 1980’s and then displayed at the Manchester Air & Science Museum, it even had a Griffon attached on the front then.
Voodoo 70270
David, the Voodoo to which you refer was obtained as a source of spares to support the one acquired from Alconbury. Anyone who was closely involved in the move of these (as I was at the time) will know that this particular airframe had been very heavily utilised in its role of supporting BDRT.
Be under no illusion it was going to be scrapped and had already had the rear fuselage and wings removed with the aid of a bulldozer – I know because I saw it happen, it was only a last minute intervention which stopped its move to Molesworth and an agreement to move it to the Museum. It has never been classed as a ‘display’ airframe under the terms of a USAF loan and I can assure you everything of consequence, other than the ejector seats was removed before it was loaned to the fire service.
For interest I have included a couple of Photos just after it arrived at the museum to illustrate its condition, also a couple from Molesworth showing what would have happened to it ( and did to the third F101 in the country) one of these shows the remains of the tail of 70270.
Lets not forget the museum paid to move this at considerable cost, the decision to strip it and make use of the cockpit by loaning it to the airport fire service as an emergency trainer was not taken lightly.
If the F4c is done as far as donated parts are concerned would it not be a good idea to sell it or trade with another group?
Unfortunately its not the Museum’s to sell / trade, it still belongs to the USAF Museum, sadly I think if the Museum ever declared it had no further interest in it it will probably end up at Molesworth to be ‘demilled’ like a certain ex Hemswell Mystere IVa has just done.
The ‘USAF Museum loans programme’ to non USA based organisations is now a shadow of its former self after 9/11 and any organisation trying to aquire it would probably be turned down.
Although its far from pretty at least its safe, and whilst it still within the Museum there is the at least the chance of it becoming whole again or at worst a cockpit exhibit.
F-4C-15-MC Phantom II 63-7414
The Phantom is built with a single main wingbox structure which goes from one wing fold to the other – the fuselage sits on top of this. Unfortunately on 63-7414 this is in three bits as the wings were cut off by the USAF parallel with either side of the fuselage…..
Further whilst in BDRT use an over enthusiastic trainer, in attempting to simulate cannon fire in the wings, used explosives which basically blew out the top and bottom wing skins on both sides and the middle spar, leaving holes some 3ft in diameter in both wings.
This means a MAJOR re-engineering job to put it back together safely so it could stand on its wheels again.
It was acquired at a time when it seemed to be the only Phantom the Museum would get a sniff at – a year later RAF Upper Heyford was closing and we managed to get the ‘Mig killer’ transported in one piece down the M40.
As far as the USAF Museum are concerned 63-7414 is now a ‘spares’ airframe although long term it may end up reduced to a cockpit section for display
Another re-construction based on recovered parts is ‘JR505’ which is privately owned and located in Coventry. It also uses recovered nodes with new and reclaimed tubing between them, the serial being from one of the aircraft that parts have been recovered from and identified.
This was on display at the Midland Air Museum but has now returned to storage although the radiator was still at the museum last time I looked.
I’m not sure the RAF Museum / Cosford have any clue that anyone wants to take photographs. One of my other reasons for going was to take some of the Sabre , which is inside hangar 1, unfortunately they have a cover draped over the cockpit canopy. 😡
Quite ironic that they take so much trouble over an aircraft which is indoors when they leave the Valiant without any protection whilst its outside. :rolleyes:
Kev35, I was up there for about midday, managing to get the photo’s just after one hailstorm had blown through and before the next one arrived!
As there has been some interest in the photo opportunities around the Valiant, here’s my effort, still not great as there are still bollards about and I managed to just about keep the car out of shot!
Shame the weather would not co-operate though as its a bit dull.
Cosford 9/4/06
I’ve posted more pictures on the ‘other’ thread relating to Cosford, however I will just post a picture of the notice attched to the fence around the 707 – it gives the impression the whole aircraft is going to East Fortune rather than the front fuselage :confused:
Cosford 9/4/06
Popped up today to get some pictures before the dismantling begins, there was an interesting notice attached to the fence around the 707 giving the ‘ spinned version’ of whats happening – I’ve attched it so hopefully you can read it. Interestingly it gives the impression that ALL the 707 is going to East Fortune – rather than just the front fuselage :confused:
Anyway heres a few from today.
Seaking93, thanks for the update – my mistake, re-reading the post on MSF which was titled: ‘Sea Harriers to Shawbury updated’ it now become clearer he was refering to Yeovilton movments ! ie leaving, not Shawbury arrivals….
I thought ZD582 had developed faster than light travel for a moment.
Cheers
UKAR have reported the Greenwich SHAR as ‘ZH801’ (which means its really ZH800)
The ’empty looking’ SHAR roadrunning on the A46 was most probably ZD582 which was reported being offloaded at RAF Shawbury on Wednesday. This had been at WSV ltd Colsterworth and was offered for auction there the end of Febuary guide price £15K ! I suspect it did not sell and has now been delivered back for another ‘tender’
The Harrier GR3 used was XV760, which used to be on Yeovilton gate painted as a FRS1. When the FA2 was placed on the gate they took it away to BAe Dunsfold (I think) and grafted on the nose of XZ493 and this now sits in Yeovilton Museum so painted.
The original cockpit of XV760 also still exist with a collector in Surrey.
Converting one back to FRS1 is quite a task.
– Nose profile including radome is different.
– 14″ fuselage plug inserted into the rear fuselage
– Modified leading edge to the wings
Plus the completely different cockpit layout.
Its probably why the FAAM nailed an FRS1 cockpit onto a Harrier GR3 for their preserved example – it was easier !
The picture of XJ481 was taken whilst it was at Southampton Docks as part of the Ocean Village complex development, this was on the site of the former Ocean liner terminal as previously posted. I have a similar shot but taken after it was entombed in wire fencing – all around it was building site !
It moved from there to Fleetlands (Gosport) with the museum before moving again to Yeovilton.