They should complete the job properly – here’s on prepared ‘earlier
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In the latest MAM2005 update (March06) on Howard Curtis’s site it listed as at Dumfries and Galloway Air Museum, so I would guess (Hope) its off there in the near future.
Dave T I’ve sent you an e-mail.
Cheers
Mark
Pete, if you have more up to date pictures af any of the Gatwick aircraft please PM me and I’ll happily sort out replacing them.
This also applies to anyone else who has Harrier – or any others for that matter.
As with any project, its work in progress and I scour the web for contacts to update the info/pics contained on the site. Some have already come to light through this thread and been added, with the image owners consent, as a result.
Regards
Mark Ray
Preserved Harriers
Dave, photos of these and other Harriers – preserved or other wise can be found Here most – but not all with pictures of them in their current homes.
If you would like one of yours on here PM me.
Regards
Mark Ray
Harriers at predannack
The Predannack examples consist of GR3’s XV786, XZ969 and SHAR.2 ZH807
Dave, the Harriers at Predannack are actually GR3 XZ969 and SHAR 2 ZD581. The rear fuse and wing of XV786 was scrapped in September 04, the cockpit is now with the fire station at RNAS Culdrose.
there is no evidence ZH807 ever went to Predannack, other than one report on MSF, whilst there were lots of reports of it being in St Athan at the same time!
Regards
To Clarify:
XS641 indeed now resides in a scrapyard in Sanbach.
XS639 (the red & white one) is still safely stored on the airfield.
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MrB, both the andover and Argosy are still on the airfield. You can find recent pictures of both on the website :http://WWW.demobbed.org.uk
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Laurie, I have this as still being at a location at Tattershall Thorpe, Lincolnshire, its ex RAF Serial being XP328.
The one in New York I have as G-BKHA Ex XJ763.
Regards
Mark Ray
From a personal point of view, I believe we collectively ‘dropped the ball’ on the BP111a during the development of the museum. We missed the opportunity when we opened the Main hangar – although at the time the logic for the choice of what went inside seemed sensible with what we were trying to achieve (the story of the Jet Engine, the T-33 representing the P-80, the USA’s first true jet aircraft).
Then again when we constructed the Robin hangar – indeed we should have included it as part of the rationale for putting that building up, we may have got some funding for it then, rather than funding the building from Museum Funds.
I’ve discussed the airframe since then many times with the current Chairman and believe the Museum is fully aware of the current situation and concerns, indeed I believe if it had not been for the ‘Undercarriage incident’ it would have been undercover by now.
Mark Ray
Quote “The museum was then run by enthusiasts and not under the management that it now is and I totally agree with you, why the hell do we have a T33 commonstar in there and not a one off extremely rare example like the P111, ask the so called enthusiasts that put the thing in there!! “End Quote
Robmac – that will be the same enthusiasts who – opened the site, collected the airframes, ran the museum on a shoe string opening at weekends with only a portacabin for shelter, aquired the vulcan, moved the entire site off the airport, aquired the funding of the Sir Frank Whittle Jet Heritage centre building – oh and basically laid the foundations for the museum it is today were you can polish the Sea Vixen to your hearts content !
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and all Museums make a few decisions along the way which could have been different, but to slag off those who developed the Museum in the past in this way is way out of line.
Mark Ray
(Director / Trustee Midland Air Museum, 1985 – 1998)
The photo dates from late 80’s when the two largest ‘lumps’ of fuselage were put on temporary display when the museum was taking part in a BBC TV ‘Blue Peter’ treasure hunt competition that was running nationwide I believe. The other parts are Whitley remains as previously stated, some of which are now better displayed upstairs at the museum.
It quickly dissappeared back into storage with its then owner, although the very nicely restored seat and some propellor blades stayed at the museum in store for some years afterwards.
Sadly almost all the remains were destroyed whilst at a location which was subjected to an arson attack, the description I heard was it was burned out down to the cockpit floor, a very sad end. What became of what was left after that i’m not sure, but if the dataplate remains I’m sure well see it fly again one day !
The seat happily was not lost and I believe is now in the hands of a spitfire restorer for inclusion in another project.
Amazed to hear of anything coming out of Cronifer!
I agree, however if you delve deeper into GJD’s website they also have details of the Sea Harrier project for the FAST at Farnborough, in which they are involved. One of the pictures of ZA195 shows a big label on the nose with ‘Cronifer 1 of 2’ printed on it.
In fact the AV8B picture was taken at Cronifers i’m sure.
Make of this what you will…..
Update to Histories:
PR9 XH174 – this was in long term store at Shawbury until last week when it was disposed of, after tender through the DSA. I thought it had gone to Cronifer metals, obviously not.
T4 WH849 – same as above.
The Canberra mkd ‘AT’ was T4 WT480 and the last few years were the same as above.
Interestingly the AV8B also on GJD services website was at Cronifer Metals (I saw it there a couple of weeks ago). Maybe they have collaborated on the scrapping of the shawbury airframes?
By all accounts its been like that for years. The whole thing is supported by the stone supports you can see under the wings etc. The wings are still sheared off but just placed back together to give the illusion of a complete aircraft. You can even go on board, all the instruments are all still in place and therese some blurp about the incident which ‘grounded’ it.
Off topic but for info there is also a Jet Provost mk3 here as well, XM464.
Glad the pictures was of some interest, it was quite a drive off our intended route to find it!
Mark