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  • in reply to: Seen On Ebay (2016) #822670
    hawker1966
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    in reply to: Your Favourite Control Column Stick/Yoke/Grip! #823621
    hawker1966
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    Hi
    Here are the photos of my Luftwaffe turret grip, whilst doing a bit of research with ref to what Ian has said would the difference between the types of grip i.e.the taller turret ie Condors BV138 and BV122 float plane etc. and the HDL151/2A type turret would the slight difference be the length of the column itself? or does the grip itself differ?

    I hope the above makes some sort of sense.

    Any help as always very much appreciated. ope above makes some sort of sense.

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250266&stc=1&d=1482262006

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250267&stc=1&d=1482262153

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250268&stc=1&d=1482262239

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250269&stc=1&d=1482262311

    Just to clarify that the Dorsal gun turret grip is confirmed as being from either a Fw Condor,wings of a Me323 Gigant, Bv138 and Bv122 float planes, the Dornier24T.
    Also this link appears to possibly show the Ju290 with the higher type HD151/1 turret. https://www.docdroid.net/NfY9XGa/junkers-290-aviation-news-june-2016.pdf.html

    This is now confirmed to be the (longer control column type) that fits inside the type HD151/1 turret.

    Apparently this type of grip was featured on another forum if you don’t mind me asking would anyone happen no the link?

    in reply to: Your Favourite Control Column Stick/Yoke/Grip! #825504
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    Hi Ian
    In regards to the SG7A turret control grip did you get any further on your research? as i have just acquired one. i was also lead to believe that these fitted the Dorsal turrets of the Ju188, HE177 and the Condor 200.

    Would you also still have the photos of your grip as would be interested to see if its the same configuration as my one.

    Also would anyone else have any further information

    (I cant current show any images as i think there may be a problem with the forum at the moment, so i will upload asap)

    Many thanks brad.

    Hi
    Here are the photos of my Luftwaffe turret grip, whilst doing a bit of research with ref to what Ian has said would the difference between the types of grip i.e.the taller turret ie Condors BV138 and BV122 float plane etc. and the HDL151/2A type turret would the slight difference be the length of the column itself? or does the grip itself differ?

    I hope the above makes some sort of sense.

    Any help as always very much appreciated. ope above makes some sort of sense.

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250266&stc=1&d=1482262006

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250267&stc=1&d=1482262153

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250268&stc=1&d=1482262239

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250269&stc=1&d=1482262311

    in reply to: Your Favourite Control Column Stick/Yoke/Grip! #826269
    hawker1966
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    I think the description of an SG 7A is a little hopeful. Similar to 188 and 177 controls, but they didn’t have the column at the base, going directly into the hydraulics. Air Ministry posted photos of one a long time ago. It has nothing at all to do with a Me210. did yours come from Tiger Collectables? The description seems very similar. There are a few of these grips around, all coming from a pond on Luftwaffe base in Poland. It looked to have been next to the armament section, with lots of Revi gun sight glass and components. They sold very cheaply until the vendor found out what he had!
    Some good references here, with pictures! http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/instrumente/katalog/steuerknueppel/steuerknuppel.htm

    I do have a photo/ diagram of a HD151/2A turret that does actually show the (column) type grip configuration
    I believe this type of turret fitted the Ju188 late Dornier 24 and many others going by the listings of aircraft that had the HD151/2A turret.
    Would you of come across this photo/ diagram yet whilst researching? like to send it when able to.

    interesting, reference the pond at a Luftwaffe base in Poland would you have a lead where i can trace this information?

    Thanks for the link very slightly different design to the one i have.
    Brad

    in reply to: Spade grip that's new to me… #826284
    hawker1966
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    Tried loading photos but failed several times

    Seems to be a problem with the forum at the moment.. ive also had problems.

    in reply to: Your Favourite Control Column Stick/Yoke/Grip! #826354
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    Here’s the thread, regrettably without the actual photos. Amazing how much one takes them for granted. http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?140920-Luftwaffe-HDL-151-turret

    Thank you for Jabbas post i had managed to find this previously but a shame there are no photos as yet.

    On the listing from the grip i purchased it states on the tag (that is luckily enough still attached to the grip)

    That it is:

    An unusual Luftwaffe control grip, this being a type SG 7A, made by Argus of Berlin, with FL205506 number.

    On the tag itself
    Baumuster SO or SC then what looks like 7A
    Gerat Nr 102 188 or 18C
    Anforderz FL205506

    The listing then goes on to say:

    May have come from the turret of a JU188 or He177 or even used on the remote control guns on the Me210.

    As i say as soon as the forum is back on ref uploading photos i will send some images.

    in reply to: Your Favourite Control Column Stick/Yoke/Grip! #826408
    hawker1966
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    Hello Brad. From what I found out, the grip is from an MG151/20 mounted turret. This was the ‘tall’ type, fitted to Condors, BV138 and BV222 float planes and in the wings of powered Gigants. I did find some nice interior shots of the turret but can’t post. Although the grip is similar, the turrets fitted to Ju188s and Do217s were different. Jabba has posted some useful diagrams.
    In the strange way of things, I got a Boulton Paul turret stick through the post this morning. It sounds identical to yours, but all the pictures have disappeared in the thread!

    Hi Ian
    Thank you for your quick reply,
    Id like to post some photos of my grip once the forum allows, to compare as cant see the photos that you had originally posted, so i can see if we have the same grip,
    i haven’t as yet seen the photos/diagrams that jabba had posted where would i find these?

    I would be very interested to see the Paul Defiant photos of your stick once the forum allows to compare, i got as far as the Halifax at the Yorkshire air Museums Halifax’s rear turret but still need to find out whether the turret was part of the aircraft itself. as the aircraft was made up as you know of different components.

    in reply to: Can't upload pics… #218408
    hawker1966
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    Having same problem cant seem to upload any images.

    in reply to: Your Favourite Control Column Stick/Yoke/Grip! #826556
    hawker1966
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    This has been my in between rugby weekend game. A turret stick out of something Luftwaffe, still not sure what. Recovered from a base in Poland in ‘used’ condition. A bit of scraping and particularly Deox C have brought it up much better. The plastic coating could be formed back into shape with some gentle heat. It’s an SG7A grip but I can’t find much info on it, other than it isn’t from a Ju188 or Do217.

    Hi Ian
    In regards to the SG7A turret control grip did you get any further on your research? as i have just acquired one. i was also lead to believe that these fitted the Dorsal turrets of the Ju188, HE177 and the Condor 200.

    Would you also still have the photos of your grip as would be interested to see if its the same configuration as my one.

    Also would anyone else have any further information

    (I cant current show any images as i think there may be a problem with the forum at the moment, so i will upload asap)

    Many thanks brad.

    hawker1966
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    (A nice post Vultee35 also some cracking vehicles you have there)

    Reference the Hendon thread things cant of been that bad surely as the museum states on post 220 “It welcomes approximately 700,000 visitors a year”

    So why waste all this money its not like the Museums in decline.. i do understand the need for something to celebrate the Centenary (and rightly so) but at what expense.. a little to severe in my mind.

    I just wonder if in 44 or years time will the new hall (looking at there new plans) be able to withstand the same amount of interest as the the previous Battle of Britain Hall has done..

    As i have said previous once visited the new centenary building will i want to go back over and over again like i have with the current tribute to the Battle of Britain. Not for me im afraid..

    hawker1966
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    I have to admit as i have said before i visit Hendon some 10 times a year not because its free but the main reason is the Battle of Britain hall.. for me a very personal side of the story (aircraft related) as just witnessing those aircraft under one roof sends chills down the spine, the only thing missing for me was a more detailed description of each aircraft i could never get my head round why this was never achieved,as how long would this of taken to add to each display.. also i would of liked to of seen a few more relics of the battle on display although there are a few that have been there since the opening of the hall of which are a treasure in there own right, but the displays never appeared to change much over the years that i visited..

    I for one wont be going back to often as for me personally the main attraction has been lost..

    Still its going to be good news for the ever expanding Museum in Hawkinge. as i will certainly be paying them more visits next year as this museum certainly puts the likes of Hendon to shame in respect of telling the story of those dark days and nights of 1940..

    hawker1966
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    If I have read the Council documents correctly, the land had been reserved for the museum for 10 years but the museum has not come forward with any proposals. The Council seems to have decided to move on and make other use of the land. It seems a bit of a non-story.

    Hi HP111
    Im pretty certain that there would of been proposals in place by the museum, and that they also have the financial outlay for the purchase, but for some unknown reason sadly the council have done a u turn. im sure we will hear more in time ref proposals etc..

    hawker1966
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    With the changes to the RAF museum at Hendon removing the Battle of Britain section the importance of the Kent museum increases . I hope the support ensures the future plans of the museum.

    I couldn’t agree more Scotavia even more reason for me that the Kent Battle of Britain museum should be able to expand its collection, who knows if they can get that extra space they may even be able to borrow a few exhibits from the Hendon collection, i know that’s a tough call but what better place than Hawkinge to display artifacts from the Battle than one of its formal spiritual homes.

    hawker1966
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    An American has joined the fight by signing the the Shepway Council petition with very strong and worthy views..

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    The Kent Battle of Britain Museum facebook post below:

    Thank you very much on behalf of all the Volunteers at the Kent Battle of Britain Museum Trust to Johnny Wheeler for sharing with us a copy of the objection he emailed Shepway District Council last week.

    Johnny describes himself as ‘a Yank by birth, British in spirit’ and wrote to the Council to object that the land, previously earmarked for the Museum to expand onto, is potentially being re-allocated for approximately 100 houses in their new ‘District Plan’.

    Here’s what he wrote:

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the Council,

    It has been recently brought to light that an agreement that the Council had with the Kent Battle of Britain Museum is now being reconsidered. The agreement I believe provided that a parcel of land from the old wartime Hawkinge Aerodrome adjacent to their current location would be awarded to the museum if and when the land was developed for housing estates. There was a request on social media (Facebook) for supporters of the museum to sign a petition to try and persuade the esteemed members of the council to keep to the agreement of land so that the museum can conduct much needed expansion.

    In my estimation, signing the petition was not good enough, so if you will indulge me in this narrative I would much rather express in a bit more detail why this agreement should be kept intact. Also, I am a Yank, and as such do not know if my signature on said petition carries any weight. Given the circus of our recent electoral processes, you have likely come to the conclusion that we are all complete idiots. But in fact, only just over half of us truly qualify, although I suspect the real numbers would be much higher.

    I’m inclined to think that the question now passing through your mind is ‘so why would we give a toss what some American thinks about our plans for land in the UK?’ My credentials are zero, but if you will humour me in this perhaps that’s what makes my opinions a bit more of value. I can say that I do have an active interest in both your country and the Battle of Britain. I served for some years as the ‘webmaster’ for the Battle of Britain Historical Society which was based out of London. I am also a honorary member of 601 (County of London) Squadron’s Old Comrade’s Association, and the quasi-official historian of that very esteemed Auxiliary squadron. Again, this means very little, but provided for perspective.

    Some years ago I made a pilgrimage to England as 601 Squadron was unveiling a statue at Hendon and I had been invited to attend. I visited the Kent Battle of Britain Museum and met the esteemed head of things – Dave Brocklehurst, MBE. I can only state that after the visit my jaw ached considerably as it had been dragging across the floor in sheer astonishment of what is contained within Dave’s wonderful museum. Having a keen interest in history, and having several museum curators as good friends, I can say with true honesty that the amount of ‘stuff’ that is displayed, and the manner in which it is presented provides about as good a picture as one can get not only of the battle itself, but more importantly of the very brave and noble Few that fought and strove to see it through.

    One of my great heroes is Roger Bushell, whom you might know better as ‘Big X’ of Great Escape fame. Roger was an outstanding Barrister and got into some trouble for his defence of RAF airmen charged with various offenses – and not because he defended them, but rather because he always won. His personality, presence and abilities were immense. I only wish that he could don his barrister robe and wig, and fly over to speak with you on this matter. I’ve little doubt that you would immediately sign every square hectare of land over to Dave immediately, with apologies for any delay.

    Instead you’re stuck with a damned American….but soldier on we must. As an American I have seen first-hand the way that we toss aside history. I live in a small city where ‘Uncle Sam’ was born and lived. The white bearded chap in red, white and blue was a real man, although he never wore such ridiculous clothing, and his claim to fame was actually suppling mostly rations to the US Army. Still, a famous US icon. The city let his house fall apart, then unceremoniously tore it down. We also have claim to laying the keel of the US Civil War ironclad the USS Monitor, a history making ship in one of the most pivotal times in American history. The iron works building where it was manufactured lay abandoned for decades and burnt to the ground several years ago.

    The point is that it is much too easy to forget and erase history. While an action such as simply awarding a parcel of land to an existing museum might seem rather inconsequential, it is in fact key in keeping such places, and the history they preserve, alive and vibrant. A simple action now can truly make a world of difference down the road a bit.

    Being an American, I can tell you first-hand that our overall egotistical view of history is basically ‘we won and conquered everything’. This jingoistic nonsense is the result of a lot of shortcomings I shall not get into. But I can tell you that I have absolutely no doubt that the Battle of Britain was one of the most important moments in all of the Second World War, and in fact the pivotal moment. I know that this has been debated by scholars for years, with questions of whether or not the battle was even won. Rubbish. Whether or not Hitler would have invaded (and the plans were certainly drawn up), the truth of the matter was that he at the very least hoped and expected Britain to be bombed into submission of a treaty that would have kept the island out of the war. There can be much speculation to the contrary, but without a proper stepping off point I think the US would have focused more on the Far East, possibly even entering into some sort of treaty with the evil corporal.

    The Few who fought in the Battle of Britain – ordinary men from ordinary towns who, though often scared out of their wits, climbed into rather tiny aircraft to fight it out in the skies over your heads. In the estimation of many, they set the path that would lead to eventual victory. It is not unreasonable to say that they saved the world, or at least were a very mighty contributor. The importance of the Battle of Britain is understated at this time, mainly because it is still so ‘fresh’ in the scheme of historical timeline. In years to come it will be even more heavily dissected and debated. But it will certainly never lose the shine of being a British triumph, and has the added sparkle of having contributors from so many other nations as well. Our own Billy Fiske of 601 Squadron and remembered in St. Paul’s. Churchill’s summation indicated a debt that we owe. In recent years the men themselves, the great Few, have indicated that they were only doing their jobs. Their heroes were the ones that didn’t live to tell about it; their squadron-mates and friends that died during those hectic months of summer in 1940. But the survivors do hint at one thing that can be done, that perhaps they might be remembered. That’s what Dave Brocklehurst is doing, repaying our debt by working tirelessly (and Dave does put a hell of a lot of effort and time into this – all that he has as I suspect he has little time for much else) to remember these men. That’s what the Kent BoB Museum is all about. If he can expand and grow he can tell the tale even more effectively. He can remember those men, and in some way repay the debt we all owe. He’s damned well earned his MBE. And you have it within your power to help him, and repay your piece of that debt.

    As a final argument, one should consider the real benefit of growing the museum. Certainly scattered throughout Britain are museums and memorials to those who fought in all of Britain’s wars. Places like the IWM offer an upscale, high view of it all. But grass roots efforts like the Kent Museum are immensely important. I’ll put it to you this way – three of us flew over from the states, and the Kent Museum was a top destination on our list. Having this in your back garden can only have a positive impact on the local economy as visitors come to see and learn. Your local businesses benefit from this, and your local constituents. A few extra houses in a housing development do not. If the museum is allowed to expand and show more of its impressive collection, it will most assuredly bring in more visitors, and return visitors as well. That the museum is located on the old Hawkinge Aerodrome only makes it so much more special and desirable to plan a visit. You have a real national treasure on your back door step. I cannot see where hindering its grown could be of any benefit to anyone, except to the developers. In the end I don’t think they will be sacrificing too much. Certainly a hell of a lot less than that eighteen year old pilot who met his end fighting so that such a thing is possible.

    I apologise for the length of this, and thank you honestly and sincerely for allowing me the opportunity (or at least putting up with it to not hit ‘delete’ if you’ve made it this far). I wouldn’t write this if the sentiment were not genuine and heartfelt. Thank you for your time.

    Most Sincerely,

    Johnny R. Wheeler

    in reply to: RAFM Hendon ~ ex-BoB Hall Exhibits 19Nov16 #837167
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    Great photos Pen pusher

    Funnily enough i was at Hendon yesterday and did the Spitfire experience, a great way to spend a tenner going through the start up procedure of a Spit and sitting in the cockpit itself, like it is said you can see absolutely nothing in the straight ahead position.

    Ref the dismantling of the aircraft at Hendon i wonder if whilst they have the chance that they may be able to take detailed photos of the different components that are hidden whilst they are dismantled, then maybe publish a book if priced correctly the book should sell very well. as i would think that there will be no other opportunity for this to happen..

    I try to get up as much as i can but now it appears the Battle of Britain Hanger is now closed, so the chance has now gone..

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