Would anyone know whether the rear turret is original to the YAM Halifax?
I hope the RAF Museum Halifax is never restored; it is far more effective as an exhibit in its current state.
Firstly, you can actually see how complex a machine a four-engined bomber is; this is probably unique. You do get some idea of how they are constructed and what a supreme effort was made to build over sixteen thousand of these aircraft in Britain (and Canada) during the war. Most museum aircraft you can only see the exterior.
Secondly, you have a virtually complete aircraft that was actually shot-down in combat during the war; or rather one that was crash-landed after being set on fire. Where else can you see that? How often have you read about the wings of bombers ‘burning-through’ after an engine or fuel-tank was set on fire? Have a good look at the ‘missing’ wing of the RAF Museum Halifax, you can see where it almost burned-through before the crash-landing (it was removed during recovery)…
…if that isn’t ‘historic’ then what is?
Lastly, if you want to remember the sacrifice of Bomber Command, and the reality of war…..what better way?
I really couldn’t have put it better myself, The Halifax in its current state certainly tells its own story i have to admit when i visit the Raf Museum i spend a fair bit of time just looking and thinking what this aircraft went through on its very last op.
A truly remarkable aircraft that was there..
I also visited yesterday to witness the Classic Wings flights.. a must for any Spitfire fans as take off and landings throughout the day. each flight consisted of a start up then take off and a flypast before landing..
Spent best part of my visit watching these flights worth the entrance fee alone..
Hi Hawker, fairly generic handle. I’ve even found one on a 1940 beaufighter crash site! Engine starter handle. Also found the same handle on a p38 too.
Thank you for your reply Redhillwings,
I did wonder that so i guess it will be difficult to narrow it down to a particular aircraft, although apparently the smaller one came from a B17 crash site (No history) and mentioned it was from the emergency undercarriage lever i guess this may be confirmed via the locating part of the Lever/handle as the 2 in the photos do differ in length and the locating pin is in a different position.
I don’t suppose anyone would have a photo of a Me 109 engine starter handle as the one i witnessed at the Shoreham Museum did look very similar, but i couldn’t take any photos (of which i 100 per cent respect) to confirm how similar..
Heroes of Telemark another classic for me, i believe that the Royal engineers Museum Chatham Kent has original relics from the Vemork Hydroelectric Plant in Norway, also the Handley Page Halifax crash site..
Thats my memory of the film as an 8 year old also, that Heinkel cockpit being shot up by the Raf fighters with the stricken luftwaffe front gunner with exploding ketchup all over goggles and flying helmet,this played on my mind for a long time and strangely still does, as was probably my first memories of War..
A Great film that i have watched over and over again and still record when it is showing even though i have the D.v.d.. Great scenes from actual airfields that were part of the Battle Hawkinge, Duxford was there any others?
Has anyone bothered to write to the curator asking, what is the plan ?
I guess it would of been nice for the curator to of published the future plans or has he? probably not..as up until recently as far as we were all concerned the aircraft were being stripped for inspection.. thats what i had the opinion of anyway.
Looking at the strategic plans there dosnt appear to be anything in Great detail reference the Battle of Britain Hall..
“This may sound like heresy but why not return the likes of the CR42, He111 (not a BofB aircraft after all) to their home land?” do not give the CEO any ideas !!!!
With the budget for the redevelopement and the relocation of aircraft I am sure a simple exhibition space could have been erected at at Hendon, adjacent to the the BoB hangar, for the propose of a Hundredth Anniversary display.
This thought also crossed my mind.
Wasn’t the Dornier eventually coming to the Battle of Britain hall Hendon?
Just reading this makes my blood boil, i for one visit Hendon on a regular basis mainly because of the “Battle of Britain Hall” and the aircraft and stories films within it. (is it me or is this very disrespectful) surely if one hall should remain then its got to be the memory to the Few.Like you say Rocketeer wouldn’t you of thought the Battle of Britain would of been a big part of the Raf 100th anniversary (strange decision to say the least)
When you consider that many schools and the very young Generation visit Hendon on a daily basis,then surely this remarkable and courageous story will be lost.. as how else will the story of one of the biggest battles in our history be told.
(This is when im very thankful to the smaller Museums around the country in keeping this Story alive)
This will be a big loss to the Museum, lets just hope its a temporary decision.
Here are some photos of various buttons; Battle, Tempest, Spitfire, Typhoon, Tempest lost attacking a V1
Thank you for posting what is a very nice collection of Grips and Gun buttons envious comes to mind..
hawker1966,
The brake lever on this assembly is AHO1606, the grip itself is looks to have had the numbers altered, it states issue 1, possibly AH8383? The final two digits are difficult to read, and look to have a zero stamped over each number. Hope this helps!
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Thank you for spending the time in posting the photo,i guess it could of been stamped over the 8005 number hopefully someone will recognize those numbers on the Grip itself, i will also take note of the brake lever reference number in my search for this particular type,it will no doubt take a little time if not i will go for a reproduction lever for the time being.
Off the top of my head, I have seen the double legend on several grips. To do a proper Trawl would require me to check them. I’ll try and do that tomorrow. The reason for the double legend was to rapidly check the position of the button, with the stick back, you would not easily assimilate the button position unless you had the legend either side of the knurling. I am pretty sure I have typhoon and tempest buttons with single and double legends.
That would be good.. that makes sense now reference the double Legends.
Any chance of a photo (in your own time) of your Typhoon, Tempest Gun buttons. as there dosnt appear to be to many references (Photos) of these on the net.
Many Thanks..
Hawker1966,
I noticed the doubles as well, unfortunately this is not an area that I’m familiar with, so will have to sit back and hope for another member to enlighten us. The grip is packed up at the moment, but I will get it out this evening to check numbers for you.
Forgot to say a fantastic project.. and the very best of luck.
Hawker1966, here are a few shots of our Typhoon grip:
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A fantastic looking grip certainly a grip that has a few stories to tell..
I have a relic grip part no 8005 that i managed to get hold of a couple of years ago at Shoreham aerojumble and have been searching for the correct Gun button for some time, thanks for Rocketeer confirming that it is the correct type it is now re united with the correct spade grip, now searching for a brake lever ive seen a few copies on ebay etc for a good price but will try and get an original at some point.
What is the AHO number of yours as i think there may of been a couple of different types..i also noticed that there are doubles for the Fire safe modes on the inner and outer of the outer part of your Gun button is this only relating to the Typhoon or has this type of markings also apply to other grips such as the Spitfire Hurricane etc..