Nevermind that, what about filling them? In order to fill them year round, BA might need to consolidate two flights into 1. That would take away one of their biggest selling points, the choice to fly when you want, IE: Frequency. And before someone uses the slot restraints trump card to argue this, please remember, BA already have all the slots they need, its not like they plan a massive increase in flights or that Heathrow needs to reduce slots.
I think BA will get some, for their more busy routes. But I don’t think they’ll get many. And even then, they’ll probably have to bite the bullet and run them a third to a quarter empty during parts of the year.
I’m not so sure about the 747-8 either. From a fleet infrasturcture point of view it makes sense. But do BA really need such big aircraft? Its got much the same issue as the A380 in terms of getting filled. Then again, BA can get away with replacing their 744s with 748s one to one and suffer less empty seats than the A380.
As for the rest of the fleet. Being as unbiased as I can be, the 777 and 787 make the most sense, purely on economics, availablity and infrastructure. They already have a big 777 fleet so have everything they need to service them.
The 787 will have a 777 based flightdeck and should only require a short conversion course, much like A320 to A340 type conversion times. (note the us eof the word should)And lets be honest, the A340 is a dead horse. Airbus are even offering to pay the difference in fuel burn (versus the 773ER) to sell them. I doubt BA will select it over the 777.
As for the the A350. Well, it is still highly unknown, its on its 6th or 7th revision (I’ve lost count) and is still far from a final configuration with no gaurantee it won’t change again soon.
The A330 is the only viable product for BA, but it would only cover the aging 767 fleet. A 787 could probably do that job better.
All very valid reasons and i agree with you up to a point.
1. We dont know the terms and conditions Boeing or Airbus are offering
2. We don’t know what BA’s stratergy will be when they replace there current LH fleet.
3. BA is the worlds largest cargo airline, without its own cargo fleet (not counting the 2 sub contracted 747s at Stansted) so even if it doesn’t fill the 747-8 or Airbus A380 to capacity, it only means more revenue from freight, and sometimes carrying belly freight is the difference between profit and loss on some routes.
4. BA have always said that the A340-500/600 is not on there radar for fleet replacement or temperary cover.
5. The 787 hasn’t flown yet, it may be a complete dog (i would put my house on a bet to say it WONT be) and with new technology who knows if the project will run to time or have a relativly trouble free test programme…Nobody knows the answer to this question!
6. BA will not be a launch customer for any new airplane A or B, considering there new 744’s arrived 4 months late, There 757’s also arrived late and the troubles caused by the 777, which i believe just wasn’t down to the GE90’s burning oil issues.
The Aloha airlines 737-200 that suffered a massive decompression when its roof was ripped off, had over 89,000 cycles on the clock, well past its design limit of 75,000 cycles
Yes but what does that equate to in cycles… thats the true measurment of the lifespan of an airframe
That information is proving almost impossible to find.. I’m sure it can be roughly worked out with some maths
Just did a quick search….
G-MONB as of 31/12/2005 had 77319 hours on the clock
G-MONC as of 31/12/2004 had 70704 hours on the clock
G-MOND as 31/12/2004 had 71713 hours on the clock.
The only other 757’s in the same age range are the ex BA, now with DHL, and all have roughly half the hours of those Monarch planes above
Well, what else can you do when all your wives want to go to Harrods on the same day.
i like this cartoon found in todays Daily Telegraph!!
Why don’t Wireless airplanes fill me with confidence????
My wireless keyboard doesn’t work properly half the time…
My wireless mouse is erractic .
Was also highlighted in many news programmes yesterday, that the deputy leader of the T&G? said he had never been in talks which such an agressive employer… i guess Willie Walsh (former shop steward himself) and his team are playing hardball, and not willing to roll over and have there collective bellies tickled by the unions.
But Walsh is unusually qualified to face down BA’s enemy within: the trade unions – led by the T&G at Heathrow – which make it so tough for BA to keep its cost-base competitive. Walsh is a classic poacher-turned-gamekeeper: a former shop steward turned formidable union-basher. In his previous job at Aer Lingus – almost bankrupt when he took charge in 2001 – Walsh fired 2,000 people and sold the art collection for good measure. He turned the airline’s fortunes around but was hated by SIPTU, the largest Irish union, and fell out with prime minister Bertie Ahern over a buy-out plan which would have made Walsh a fortune of his own.
Yet Walsh’s corporate biography – cadet pilot at 17, into management at 27 – omits the most interesting fact about him: that in his flying days he was also chief negotiator for the Irish Airline Pilots Association. Like another former pilots’ union official, the arch-Thatcherite former minister Norman Tebbit, he took an early decision to move to the other side of the table. Knowing your opponents’ mind is a key advantage in any confrontation. Willie Walsh is a man to watch
It is all very interesting but I have been watching BASSA / T&G and this is basically an attempted mugging that they now realise has gone t**ts up and are desparate to find a way out of. They were asking for guarantees on discounted incidences of sickness – i.e. irrespective of an individual’s sickness record. Presumably a negotiating line but one they must have been confident would end up working in the favour opf the most frequent who are taking liberties. Despite WW accepting their most recent wording they have backtracked since Dromey was made to sound stupid on BBC R4 “Today” Programme. It is not a question of disputing whether or not someone is fit to fly (or do any other work for that matter) if they say they are not. What is more to the point is challenging why some people have greater incidences of illnesses (especially discountable ones) than colleagues or similar folk in similar jobs in the industry. What is it about their lifestyle or physiology that makes this happen – can that be changed / improved or (in the final analysis) is this the sort of work they should be doing?
Superb Shots of Kai Tak, back in 1996 i was fortunate enough to be allowed on the flight deck for the landing in to Kai Tak. It’s a memory that wont fade away
According to various sources…
1.BMi are getting 4 new EMB145’s
2. LHR-Aberdeen is going EMB145
3. Airbuses released from the Heathrow ops by the ERJ will displace A321s slowly being phased out. Plus one A320 operating a full-week charter programme from Leeds this summer for MyTravel
4. The A330, that had the MLG problem has gone or is going to Virgin Nigeria until May 2007, when it will be replaced by 2 767-300s that Astraeus will fly for VN. When the A330 comes back, it will replace the Arkefly 767-300, so will most presumably go on to the LHR-Saudi route
The MD11 was a dog (in terms of range and performance guarentee’s), because there was a lack of investment.
1. The designers wanted a new super-critical wing design, but unfortunatly the board in there wisdom, decided that they didnt want to spend the millions of $$$$ on research and testing, so told the designers to “improve” the old wing (from the DC10). Now there is only so much you can do with an old design (just ask Airbus and there original A330/A350 hybrid) and basically the project was hamstrung (if thats the correct saying) befor it got off the ground.
But it seems that the cabin crew at LGW are not in support of there collegues at LHR
Taken from PPrune..
I just wish some over paid crew would take a few minutes out to see how good they’ve got it. Seriously, you have. Most other airlines do not have such a thing as crew rest. I’ve been on a flight where the crew have walked through the cabin in shirt, tie and pyjama bottoms!!!! How professional! I’m not based at the golden runways, but I’m allegedly working for the same company. At LGW we get told every day by pax how friendly and chatty etc we are. Lots of pax prefer flying from LGW because it’s less hassle, fewer delays and we’re professional. So, what’s my rant about? Well, all the issues bassa has decided to ballot about, we already deal with at LGW. We work 3 crew on the 737. We have one CM and one Purser on the 777 whether it’s 3 class or 4 class. We’re on hourly pay (and survive!). The difference is that I and a majority of my colleagues at LGW are fed up with being sold down the river by our so-called colleagues at LHR for years but they expect us to stand up for them and strike. It winds me up. I’d be happy to vote for a strike if the issues actually affect me, but they don’t (apart from the little breakfast allowance that was added at the end of the form as we were kicking off about it). I don’t want to lose my job. I don’t want to have to look for another job. I know I’m not the best paid in the company or indeed the world, but I’m a hell of a lot better paid than a lot of other people. I’m not starving to death and I can still afford a glass of wine when I want. It’s called living within your means without being greedy. Sorry for the rant, had to get it out of my system…
And cabin crew who worked for BA, now with other airlines think that they don’t live in the real world
Again taken from Pprune
I must admit I had trouble understanding the scenes of unbridled joy at the CC meeting when the cameras picked up the announcement of the pro-strike vote! I would say a very high proportion of them will ‘chicken out’ when it goes nuclear.
“Certainly in my experience, where an employer pays low wages and expects alot, the employees tend to be less committed.” Disagree!
After a career in BA and now an independant, I have to say I am stunned at how hard working and dedicated they are in independantland. I have never seen BA crews work like I have seen amongst independants outside. Dare one say far more commitment too? The astonishing saga of 75 minutes bunk rest on a LHR-CAI followed by a 24 hour slip? How about LTN- Egypt or Israel-back to LTN then taxi to LGW. 3 cabin crew 737, full meal service both ways. I’m afraid the reality of life outside hasn’t sunk into BA yet! I hope they see sense, but they will get broken if they go ahead- the costs disparity is ginormous.
Ryanair: ATR42,B732
Eazyjet B733,B737-700
British Airways: B757,B744,B742, L1011
Caledonian DC10
Dan-Air: A300,B727
Pan-Am B741-B727
US-Airways: B734
Britannia B732-B757
Orion B732
Qantas B744,B743
Kendall SAAB340
Cathay Pacific 744,742
Air Canada A340,B762ER
FirstChoice/A2000 B757,A321
Monarch B757
British Island Airways BAC1-11, MD90
Airtours MD83
Air UK leisure B733/4
Air UK F100
Air France Fokker 28
Cyprus Airways: A310
Singapore Airlines A310
Piper PA28Cherokee 140-G-AYWE
Cessna 172: G-FNLD
Cessna 152: G-BSYV
I think the most frightning thing at the moment is, while Bliar is on his happy holidays with the witch and his kids……. John Prescott is in charge of the country!!!!:eek:
Well he works for a company that has a BA franchise, so i’ll guess “big willie” will be having words with “little Willie” in the near future!:diablo: