Doh…What’d I miss???
OK, seriously as someone who’s been in the forum doghouse (just ask Moggy) we all loose our temper from time to time. Being able to put it behind you and move forward shows class and character.
Of course, if your comments last night were about me then forget everything I just said. 😀
Steve
Originally posted by DazDaMan
As I don’t drive yet, it’s quite possible!In this order, I shall be learning to drive, learning to fly and building my own plane!!!
Fair enough Daz, I’ll just have to plan an excursion north on my next trip.
Seriously, if you have a desire and can afford it take flying lessons as soon as possible. Too many people put it off for years and then kick themselves for not learning sooner. The joy, the freedom, and the sense of accomplishment that comes with flying just cannot be duplicated in my opinion.
Steve
Oh, what a bunch of Scottish girls…
I’m traveling all the way around the world to be at Old Warden on the 15th and you can’t even make it, FROM SCOTLAND!!!
It is the same island you know, Daz?
Well, you’re loss if you can’t make it. I guess you will just have to miss out on my Sean Connery immitation…”Shome thingz in here dond’t react too weel to bulletschz.” Robbo has promised to bring his bowler hat and play the role of “Odd Job”.
Are you really going to miss all of that???
Robbo,
You scare me when you’re being serious. Try and use a few more 😀 😀 😀 so I’ll know if you’re just teasing me.
Note to self…I’ve got to try and understand this British thing. They’re so serious one minute and taking pictures of orange cones the next. I just don’t know???
I think the lousy weather kept many warbirds from attending.
Like a long lost Monet that appears briefly in public I fear that this may be the most we see of VP 441 for some time.
I don’t know the owner, but I understand he has a large private collection of rare warbirds. My fear is that this airplane may see an airshow or two (possibly to win an award) and then be hidden away.
I hope I’m wrong.
On the one hand it’s the owner’s airplane and he’s the one who spent many years and many millions on the restoration. Who are we to tell him what to do with it? If not for him this airframe might be rotting away in some field.
No easy answers for this one…
Ok chaps, here’s the score…
The 15th will be my last full day in England…I have to be on a flight Sunday afternoon from Heathrow as my hall pass from Mrs. Patterson expires at midnight. I can’t really complain, as I get to spend the entire week before Old Warden touring airfields and flying museums. The last time I was over all I got to see were Cathedrals. Not that I have anything against Cathedrals, but they just don’t have the same appeal as a Hurricane doing 300KTS+ on the deck.
I think we need to make the 15th an all day blow out event. Morning at Duxford and evening at Old Warden, followed by the promised curry and warm bitter experience.
I truly look forward to meeting as many members from the forum as possible, so when you’re stateside I can reciprocate with Bar-B-Q and an icy cold Budweiser under the wing of the Sea Fury.:D
Come on now…who’s in???
Steve
Ok, only 4 weeks until the Old Warden show on May 15th. I know of at least 5 members who are going to come out and play that evening (yes Robbo, I’m counting on you). Andy in Beds and I have a bet on that we’ll get at least 20 forum members to come out and see the yank try and drink warm beer. You wouldn’t want to miss that?
There has also been talk of meeting at Duxford on the morning of the 15th, followed by the twilight show at Old Warden. A whole day of warbirds. Any takers???
Also, if anyone is interested in meeting up the week before send me a PM. I’ll be doing the “museum and airfield” tour of southern England with some of this forum’s finest.
Cheers,
Steve Patterson
Lots of water, as you usually drink one or two during briefing. Also, I take a bottle with me in the cockpit at shows like Oshkosh as you tend to sit on the ramp for 30+ minutes waiting to take off. Then you orbit for another 30 minutes waiting to make one pass.
Is this really worth it???
That’s why I like the smaller shows, you get to actually talk to people and not spend half the day briefing to make one pass.
Originally posted by Allan
Steve,
Any chance the video can be posted to a web server somewhere?
Allen,
I’ll have the video ready after the weekend. Still needs some work to cut out all the “blue sky” shots.
As for the wav file, well, I’ll see what I can do. Unfortunately Texas lived up to it’s reputation and there’s alot of wind noise on the tape. I’ll try and find some good clips, though.
Also, Mk. 12…I sent Ashley a CD with all the photos and short video clips I shot. But, do we not get to see ANY of Steve D’s in flight photos??? Come on now, he’s not THAT busy working on my airplane 😀
Steve Patterson
Re: Just trying to be helpful
Originally posted by Moggy C
I think it might have been sorted out, but I lost the will to live yesterday and left the thread.Moggy
Still leaves me with the intriguing question as to the symptoms of a stalled pair of wings in a vertical dive.
How about a flat spin? OK, sorry for that. Again, AOA is the key. If you can get the wing cord pointed about 20 degrees or so from your flight path the wing will stall. It doesn’t matter if you’re going straight up or straight down, and it doesn’t matter how fast you’re going.
I can think of several airshow accidents (and you can too) where the pilots “mushed” in from a loop or split S. This is a classic accelerated stall, it just happens to be one traveling towards mother earth.
Looking forward to having that little “chat” next month you promised me.
Cheers,
Steve
I’ve read this thread six times and I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about. Before you get some student pilot killed let’s remember some facts…
1. You can stall at any speed and any attitude (including going straight down in a vertical dive).
2. Stall speed is a constant variable, because stalls are all about AOA; the angle of attack of the wing relative to it’s path through the air. Pull or push hard enough to point the nose (AOA) away from the direction you’re going, and you will stall. Also, if you’re above maneuvering speed you could over G load and pull the wings off before you stall.
Don’t learn (or relearn) this on the web or from a flight simulator. Get with a qualified CFI and make sure you have a proper understanding of aerodynamics. Go practice accelerated stalls with an instructor (In the L-39 we do them at over 250 kts, 60 degree bank and 4-5 g’s) Knowing this is important. Understanding it will save your life.
BTW, I’ve a very nice chart from the US Navy’s NATOPS Flight Manual left over from my T-28 days that shows the relationship of beginning altitude, airspeed, dive angle and g to recovery altitude. Simple. The faster and steeper you go, the more altitude and g you need to recover. Pull too much? See #2 above.
Now, how did we get hear? Something about gear and stalling speed?
Although, I’m getting rather partial to this one from yesterday…
Hopper Flight…Sullivan, Mills, Brutsche, Wood. I’m the lead photo ship with Ray Pittman, photographer.
Took friggin forever to get the tails to line up like that:D
Originally posted by duxfordhawk
Its been reported that other Mariners have also exploded for no apparent reason …
Don’t you just hate it when people explode:D
The sad fact is that it’s not hard to see how an entire flight could crash into the water. In the Air Force you only fly close formation for airshows or penetrating the weather. The worse it is, the closer you get. Can’t afford to loose your flight lead at a time like that.
When you’re in the soup lead could fly you inverted and you’d never know. He’s lost, running low on fuel, the weather’s bad, he looks down to study a chart, or he just plane screws up. Next thing you know a flight is gone.