you posted video with big smoke and big flame takeoff and that was empty aircraft. Rafale engine is not that advanced. no signature management.

Give us an example of good signature management.

Make a joint ‘ Joint European Advanced Fighter Training Facility’ And use M-346 or T-50s

How patronizing… *Sigh*.

South Korea will purchase an aircraft (American) for political concerns, simple as. However, the F-15 is the best choice anyway when one considers commonality in a wide field of areas; local factories, weapons, training, ‘know-how’, familiarization and the integration to their network. It (not necessarily talking about the “Silent Eagle” since it isn’t flying yet) is more established than Typhoon and certainly more established than the F-35 regarding operational capabilities. But, I’m sure South Korea will follow Japan’s decision despite what Slowman/InternationalPirate claims.

One will have to see next month.

Seeing how much fuss other countries have over the F-35 I can easily imagine a (manufactured or not) firestorm. Honestly the EF is the least controversial decision and plus with the KF-X investment it can be defended as patriotic and opposition as unpatriotic. I can see the anti american FTA people getting up in arms (if only to screw something up because they couldn’t last time) and really have you seen how our politicians go at each other?

Overall I think the Boeing bid is best overall and while I don’t think the F-35 is a bad fighter it just has too much uncertainty.

Why the difference between the F-15SE and F-35 packages?

If you talking about the weapons.

F35:

780 GBU-12 Bomb

F15:

780 JDAM Tail Kits, MK-82/BLU-111 KMU572C/B (GBU-38) w/SAASM/AJ

LGB VS JDAM

F35:

530 BLU-109 2000LB Penetrators
530 Joint Directed Attack Munition (JDAM) Tail Kits, BLU-109/KMU-557C/B (GBU-31) w/SAASM/AJ

F15:

362 BLU-109 2000LB Penetrators
362 Joint Directed Attach Munition (JDAM) Tail Kits, BLU-109/KMU-557C/B (GBU-31) w/SAASM/AJ
170 BLU-117 2000LB General Purpose Bombs
170 JDAM Tail Kits, MK-84/BLU-117 KMU-556C/B (GBU-31) w/SAASM/AJ

530 BLU-109 vs 532 BLU-109/117

F35:

4 JDAM BLU-109 Load Build Trainers
4 GBU-12 Dummy Trainers

8 Extra training bombs

They both have:

154 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) Tactical Missiles w/DSU-41
33 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM)
7 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) CATM Guidance Units
14 AIM-9X-2 (Blk II) Tactical Guidance Units

274 AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
6 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM Guidance Sections

542 GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs
1312 FMU-152A/B Fuzes (FZU-63 Initiator)
6 MK-82 Filled Inert Bombs
4 BLU-109 Inert Bombs

F35: $793 million

F15: $823 million

F15 is $30 million more expensive

Okay I worded that wrong.

Slowman is being slowman and everyone else is making assumptions and over thinking things.

Looking at dsca archives, all our Slam Eagles are DCS purchases.

No its a Turkish forum, be sure that it won’t be again 😀

http://www.trmilitary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=73&start=875

Thank god! Also interesting site.