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You are aware that the typical configuration of every Tornado who have delivered Storm Shadows in Iraq and Lybia was with two massive “Hidenburg” external´s (2250 litre each, thats more than the two external´s, 1000 L, of the Typhoon) and the Adla Rafale´s have been carrying two or three 2000 L´s external´s.
The fact that BAE has just picked up the CFT work left a decade ago is almost certainly a direct consequence of the SShadow integration job.Cheers
Tornado’s range sucks by comparison. On those two tanks it only gets as far as a Typhoon on one. And due to the pylon layout, it’s not like a Tornado can only carry one drop tank and 2 Storm Shadows anyway. What both pictures have in common is that neither aircraft, in that configuration will survive deep in defended airspace. The drop tank count thing is mainly an issue for backwards air forces with inadequate mission planning capabilities and/or a lack of refuelling assets. Your point is moot.
it dose not look bad if you “5th gen it”
mig-37 😛
Looks good but I’m not sure where fuel and weapons would go.
halloweene, i have the idea (might be wrong) that the real problem was that those Taurus/Storm Shadows on those stations and the landing gear were a bit “incompatible”.
Cheers
Depends how far forward you mount them. It probably will never be carried like that in actual operations because the idea of stand-off attack is that you stand off. So the Typhoon will carry one centre tank and 2 Storm Shadows, refuel mid-air if need be and then launch them from well over 500km away. True range isn’t quoted anywhere, but looking at the size/weight of Storm Shadows relative to AGM-86s, BGM-109s and JASSM-ERs, I’d say it’s nearer 1000km. The extra drop tanks are in effect in the missiles.
Going into defended airspace with three tanks and two 2800lb missiles isn’t something you’d get away with, anymore than refuelling in such airspace, so the issue is moot.
My point, control surfaces aren’t enough to crorrect pitch up moment when releasing a 1300 kgs charge on this point.
Says who? That’s what FCSs are for.
He actually said that the RCS of the “35” was smaller than the “22”.
That can’t be right.
For crying out loud!!!
Stay the Fu** out of this thread if you guys have to mix political nonsens into this thread!Can’t u keep it to posting news coming from main stream media, and let the rest of us decide whats propeganda and not?!
The next garbage post coming will involve a report, and this thread has just been cleaned up! Keep going and this thread will be locked permantly.
FFS. Can we just close this thread….. for good this time? Asking for a neutral discussion on the aviation element of the Ukraine crisis is like trying to teach a polar bear sudoku.
Night Vision eq. for Ukr forces
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What’s that got to do with aviation?
S-8KOM has less than 1 kg of explosive. Mostly HEAT payload.
Ah okay, but there are different S-8 warheads, the OFP2 has a 9.2kg warhead.
S-5s match the explosion sizes better IMO:
F-35 wasn’t candidate in Brazil so why not downrate direct competitors like Rafale, F-18 and F18 ? Remeber this is an advertisement shot…
That chart is a joke and shows no proportion with figures produced by Jane’s with respect to operational costs. E.g. F-35 ($31,000/hour estimated) should be about twice as far to the right as Rafale and Typhoon (~$16,000/hour), i.e. off edge of chart. F-22 should be off the chart completely to the right ($44,000/hour).

Note that they say the $8,200/hour for the Typhoon is only fuel, but somehow the Gripen fits fuel and maintenance in $4,700/hour, implying maintenance costs of ~$500/hour, which is probably less than some BMWs.:stupid: SAAB LOL, even the Swedish people rejected them.
80mm- S-8 rockets.
The explosions looked a little small for 80mm. 80s are more Hellfire-sized in terms of warhead (9.2kg TNT equivalent).
Ukrainian airstrike, supposedly middle of Lugansk.
Looked like a strafing run or 57mm pass. Su-25?
+1
but I am not sure that the leverage variable is the price.
It’s certainly not the only one. Dassault have apparently been shooting themselves in the foot by taking things out, like IRST, Damocles XF and maybe AASM too.
When you see the footage of the B hovering or the touch and go you have to say its impressive.
For those of us who are looking forward to the UK operating this aircraft, it’s even exciting!
Is there any footage of SRVL landing yet?
Hi everyone,
It seems fixed wing is far better in term of efficiency, carrying more payload for a longer range with less fuel consumed while helicopter is only used for it’s hover and VTOL ability. I want to know the reason behind that, could anyone explain it for me?
For example, AFAIK, heli is better than like F35 in vertical take off because moving a large volume of air at low speed (heli) is better than moving a low volume of air at hi speed (jet). I just want to know by simple reason like that.
Regards
Rotary winged aircraft put the majority of their engine power into lift rather than forward flight, fixed wing aircraft use wings for lift and the engines to overcome drag and generate thrust in the direction of travel.
Turboprop planes are more efficient than turbojets in slow flight but jets are obviously more efficient in fast flight. Props moving large volumes of air at low speeds are generally better for efficiency if you can get the thrust you need to fly at that speed. Helicopters simply don’t point the thrust in a direction that’s efficient for axial movement.
Quote – Dassault has had difficulty in selling the aircraft abroad, despite successful high-profile combat missions in Libya and Mali.
How diifficult was it for Boeing, Eurofighter, MiG etc to sell their wares abroad? Very easy / easy / difficult / extremely difficult? Who has bought F/A-18 who was not let down by LM? Let’s cut the crap, if you’re half a decade late, you have let customers down and they may feel they need fighters in the absence of F-35 being available when expected. Yes, Eurofighter has sold to a couple of ME countries but I would suggest that politics meant they were in line for the contracts. Who has bought MiG-35 or F-16 (recently and Irak does not count for political reasons). Dassault have been selected to supply 125 (possibly a lot more) Rafale to India in a non-poltical competition so I rather think that the unpopular jets are Gripen, F-16, F-18, Eurofighter and MiG-35.
The Indian deal hasn’t been signed yet and given the planned development cycle of the Typhoon and the time it would take to deliver those Rafales, the longer it drags, the more likely Dassault is to remain without a contract.
It won in 2012 based on the fact that it already had AESA, already had interferometric RWR and already had a list of A2G weapons qualified and better A2G capability. By 2016 all those bid-winning advantages will be gone without trace. The Indians are looking at the price now and they don’t like it, and they see that the Typhoon is overtaking them and they’re playing the patience game. Dassault will have to drop the price significantly if they want the deal.