It doesn’t matter if your first sentence was aimed personally at me or not my comments still apply.

I accepted you could not expect anything in the general public areas but I do expect it in the enclosures. I have never seen anybody berated but then within the enclosures the vast majority are there for the same thing and are, in general, very considerate of each other, that has been my experience.

I don’t have a Nagra I was just pointing out the assumptions made. Position was in a dedicated aeroplane enthusiast’s enclosure, at some expense, where people understand what people are there for. The vast majority were taking pictures and video.

Obviously I have no idea if she knew I was recording although the dead cat is a bit of a give-away. Aeroplanes were active and in the air and you would have to admit that the Vulcan taking off is a display in itself. She had just finished taking a video on her tablet.

It was inappropriate behaviour irrespective to what I was doing in this enclosure at this time it was also annoying other people.

That said we met some very nice people within the enclosure and our seats were double booked but the young guys, obviously keen photographers, would not let us move and even mopped up the rain water.

You are entitled to you views and to put them here, just felt some of the adjectives used were not necessary.

Paul

Hence my apology Paul.

Not at all. To make your argument you have to unnecessarily include deliberately inflammatory words “obsessed” “badly” “every moment” “ideal conditions” none of which you can possible know about me and I only refereed to the one incident in an enclosure. When you have paid the extra to be in the FRIAT enclose you expect and get due consideration for what you are there for. Only wanted to get the Vulcan sound and she wasn’t talking to her partner but shouting to somebody two rows back. Expect more consideration in FRIAT and that is not arrogant. What is arrogant is thinking your views are in some way of more value than others.

The problem is that nobody knows how to behave properly or give good service any more and the more you let it go the worse it gets. You will no doubt think that is arrogant but it is also true.
When we get bad service we do not let it go we complain and when we get good service we make a special point of saying so and why.

I would agree with you if at the general public viewing line but not in enclosures like FRIAT or FOD.

Whether the recordings are “bad” (do you know what a Nagra is?) or not is irrelevant and is of no concern of yours you do not have to listen to them. If you apply that “logic” the vast majority of the public with their compact digital cameras photographing flying aeroplanes which will only appear as dots are, according to you, wasting their time. Maybe you and I may think so but they appear to be happy with them so who are we to criticize.

As I explained to Moggy it’s about having a record of actually being there, after all as I SAID, there are far better photographs and videos with excellent sound shared on the internet.

People who have paid extra to get into enclosures are trying to get away from the general public and should therefore behave in a suitable manner.

Just my view, many may disagree, and do, but its strange how certain posters need to always add that little bit extra and become personal, something I always try to avoid.

The first sentence of my last paragraph was a generalisation. That sentence seemed to rile you and please be assured it wasn’t directly aimed at you.

I did say if you want to record sound or film then great. I never said people were wasting their time. I simply think you need to stomach it if a child crying spoils your sound or someone gets in the way of your lens. I remember once witnessing a group of photographers berate someone who innocently wandered into shot. An innocent mistake but he was actually shouted at!

If you want the Vulcan sound perhaps go to a location where you have better conditions. I looked at that kit you mentioned. Impressive! But you can have the best kit rendered useless if not sited in the best position. I repeat, I’m glad you get enjoyment from your hobby be it good or bad.

Did the lady know you were recording? The one you thought was inconsiderate. I mean she is not inconsiderate if she perhaps does t realise the way your equipment works or even if she knew what it was.

Apologies for any words you felt were inflammatory.

In general other than RIAT we do find the lack of control of children at the crowd line a day spoiler.
In FRIAT stand had to ask a lady sitting three seats down to stop “talking” to somebody two rows back whilst flying was taking place as she was ruining the sound on the video

But the airshow isn’t your own private recording studio. It’s a public event! Just enjoy the display rather than telling other people to be quiet whilst you record your own private movies.

Some people are just obsessed with (badly) recording every moment. If you want to film and record sound then great but expecting ideal conditions at a public event is ridiculous and arrogant.

Hey, Nobody wants you to leave the thread although that is an interesting response when asked to justify some of the comments made.

Reminds me of the Panda joke.:D

By implication you do not know about the very highly controversial, at the time, series.

Just take a quick look at this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_Death_Us_Do_Part

I just don’t have the time to contribute properly and realise it is better to leave it rather than it all continue to go on whilst I catch a flight and not be able to add anymore!

This is why I’m not responding to the rest of the above too because I can’t very soon!

Very decent of you Moggy and I apologise for drifting the thread out of territorial waters. I hope removing those posts puts it back on track.

So far they have all been Years 4 to 6 (9 to 11 years old in old money) – getting the message across is relatively straightforward when you’re recounting stories / personal histories of brave men and women!

One thing that I’m always encouraged by is that for the most part the young people are a lot more perceptive, thoughtful and considerate than they are often given credit for. 🙂

The last part of the sessions are given in Lancaster Corner alongside the Upkeep Mine and below the plaque in honour of Gibson & Warwick.

Twin otter,

You are right, young people are not given anywhere near enough credit and there is a tendency to believe in this idea that past generations were in someway better. Maybe in some aspects but not others and they will, in time, bring something new to what museums are doing and have their own insights.

I’ve really enjoyed working on a ‘creative writing’ project as part of NAM’s Aviation Heritage Lincolnshire education programme that considers – fictional super heroes and wartime aircrews.

This involves working with a noted children’s science fiction author who makes the case for the super heroes, while I make the case for the wartime aircrews. At the end of the session the kids get to vote as to who are the real heroes – the aircrew have never lost yet!

By drawing parallels with science fiction characters (R2D2 located in the top of a spaceship – just like a gunner in a mid-upper turret) engages with the young people and stimulates their interest in aviation. 🙂

Being delivered again in early October to around 100 young people! :eagerness:

Very laudable and Newark is a shining light with it’s forward thinking attitude to engage youngsters.

Been done already – and in another aviation-related film: Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

Also, you could throw The Crow and Fast and Furious 7 into that – both of which have had to use CGI likenesses for the main actors after they passed away rather prematurely.

It hasn’t been done already as there is a big difference between using a body double and limited cgi to save a production where the lead has died during filming or a very limited appearance such as that of Oliver in Sky Captain to a full feature appearance. In the case of Paul Walker in FF7 the script has been rewritten, body doubles used aswell as CGI. A massive problem. Why would a film crew hamper themselves with this from the outset. The idea that the audiences in twenty years time will want to see a film with old actors is ludicrous. Do they updated their haircuts and styles too or do we have John Wayne and Katherine Hepburn sauntering around a modern film landscape.

Mad.