Wonderful Ta!
I spoke to a Farmer near
to the airfield, who also holds the Prop from a crashed P-51B which then was
put on show at Duxford with the Essex Recovery Group,( who I note are back
at the I.W.M.) Mr Edward Tuffler.
err…they have never been away;) Just moved buildings thats all,admittedly not as big a display as there was in my time, but there none the less:)
Yes we did look for Shangri-La:)
So sorry to hear of this Bruce, We were at the dedication on the day, and of all the places we thought were safe to mount a memorial propellor like this, Salisbury Hall was it.
Not forgetting that your museum donated the prop blade to us to use on the memorial at Hunsdon, I am off there now to check on it, it is in the middle of a field and has stood there for two years without any trouble so far. I do hope yours turns up.
I am actually thinking about listing it, just to see who bites:D
I can do the 1st too:)
:confused: :confused: Just to perplex you all completely & think what the :dev2: is he prattling on about,a few years ago it was suggested by someone(a scientists probably),that by the laws of probabillity we have all breathed some air that has been inhaled by Lord Nelson:eek:
By thinking on similar terms is it possible that we could all have owned,held or even swallowed(on a molecular scale) aluminium from an allied or axis aircraft without being aware of it.:cool:
My hypothosis is, an aircraft is built in Britain in 1939 & shot down over occupied Europe & its components processed to produce an axis aircraft.This aircraft in turn is then shot down over the UK & goes through the same processes.
Over the years some of the original aluminium goes through various guises as the cycle of processing continues,ending up as beercans:) bike & vehicle parts,foil pie trays or even the aluminium used in tap water to make it sparkle
On that wonderful train of thought, I would like to offer for sale on ebay next week this item:
Shard of aluminium.
Starting Price £0.99P
Item ends 6 days and 3 hours
This shard of aluminium wreckage was once a Heinkel He111P flown by Kg 55 it was shot down on the 12th July 1940, and crash landed at Hipley Hant’s.
Recycled and made into a Spitfire that was itself shot down and force landed in France in 1942.
It was recovered by the German authorities and made into several thousand mess tins for the Wehrmacht. One of those messcans was melted down in 1947 and used in the manufacture of a teapot.
The teapot was sold in britain and remained in service untill 1962. it was then scrapped and ended up in the rear quarter panel of a short wheel base Land Rover.
As with all land Rover’s, the chassis rusted and the bodywork was scrapped. The aluminium from the rear quarter panel was melted down and used in part towards a greenhouse frame. You are bidding for a shard of aluminium from a 1982 greenhouse that contains minute particals of air that Nelson once breathed and also has minute particals of auminium from a 1940 Heinkel 111 and a Spitfire…as well as a Land Rover.
Unfortunately, I cannot provide providence to substanciate this wild outrageous claim!
😀
Finally I noted with interest the post mentioning a hurricane artefact having been sold with the provenance it was from a BoB casualty, the identity of which is now unknown. Such provenance does indeed seem to raise prices and I have to wonder how often such provenance is manipulated to assist sales and how many unidentified pieces are given value by adding details from our websites or museum displays? To qualify this I have seen an item on eBay that could not have possibly come from the aircraft stated, yet was listed as originating from a site we have excavated.
I have often seen items for sale as you speak of. How do you warn off prospective buyers of said pieces though, apart from the usual way through having ebay delist the said item. if someone wants to own a piece of Battle Of Britain heritage, the provenance offered, albeit fake, could or would, cloud their judgement and go ahead and buy the item anyway.
In 1974 I bought a piece of Dornier in a militaria shop in Southend on Sea. No ebay in that day!, The sheer thought of owning a genuine ‘Battle Of Britain’ relic, was to me a dream come true. Here I was ,the owner, or should I say Custodian, of a small piece of History.
But was it a good thing or a bad thing by buying a piece of history? I like to think of it as a good thing, for it gave me the determination to find out more about the Battle, and has given me the deep interest in second world war aviation that I have today.
It was also the jolt I needed to find and join a local recovery group. I finally joined the Essex Aviation Group in 1978 and took part in many digs up untill about 1984. I did collect items from different crash sites during that period, most members of the group did. They were parts that were repeated in other displays in the museum, or items not deemed worthy of inclusion in the display of artefacts from that particular site. but all given to me by senior group members.
Like Neil, there were many weekends spent after a dig, cleaning and sorting atrefacts for a display, often….nay, very often without the multitude of members who actually were on the dig… they were conspicuous by their absence:)
The majority of those parts today still reside with me, Although from time to time I have given bits and pieces away, but I am selective. I have only given parts to people I know will look after them and who hold them in the regard that I do.
Cees Broere
We have a huge building where our museum is based and a relatively large storage area and we have in recent years been sifting though the recovered wreckage and anything that is not useful will be send for scrap (mostly scraps of aluminium) with the money put back into our museum.
I used to know a fellow who would cast aluminium models of the aircraft from leftover wreckage, he always reckoned that would bring in more money for individual museums than just scrapping the leftovers. It also kept part of the aircraft ‘alive’ so to speak, brings me nicely back to ebay, and the many ‘Cast from shot down german aircraft Bell’ you see for sale, Oh, that and all the endless ‘From a Spitfire/Hurricane/Lancaster/Mosquito’ switches and dials also available:)
I may be able to attend. starting back to work on ‘light duties’ next week after being off work for nearly six months , but I have four weeks holiday to take before January 1st !
A good chance to meet some others, plus I have not been to Hendon for ages.
i’ll even show you the officers mess, control tower and factory, nothing too fancy though!
What? no tea and crumpets in the Ante room after…shame!:)
Apparently a housing estate and a high school….according to this news item from 1998…
http://archive.thisischeshire.co.uk/1998/4/9/241135.html
Plenty of references to RAF Padgate with a google search;)
Well done Nils 🙂 S>
You have probably seen this 309 squadron association link, but if not then click on http://www.geocities.com/skrzydla/index.html
The Sawbridgeworth Air Training Corp have adopted 309 squadron as their patron squadron.
Contact A Passfield , Flight Lieutenant RAFVR (T) – Officer Commanding
A.T.C. HQ
Cutforth Road
Sawbridgeworth
Hertfordshire
CM21 9EA
Phone: 01279 723517
email: [email]309atc@btconnect.com[/email]
Web pages: http://www.aircadets.org
Not a lot of help, but could be useful.
Have a good day James
Congratulations:)
Absolutely wonderful!:)
PM sent SE5AFAN
Sorry for the delay in answering!
John had worked for John Wyer in the days of the Ford GT40. JW Automotive worked out of Fprd Advanced Vehicles at Slough and I believe the building subsequently became a lorry factory. He reckoned the building had been used for aircraft manufacture during WW2 and that there was a network of catacombs underneath which in the 60’s still contained aircraft parts and allegedly at least one dismantled WW2 bomber. He claimed that in the 60’s there was even an inventory of the parts in the cellars still in the foremans office.
I did do a little research at the time and as far as I remember I discovered that the factory was still standing but had been heavily extended. I suppose there is just a chance the entrance to the cellars got sealed up during the extensions or maybe even got filled with concrete so who knows maybe there is still something down there.
This was the Langley Iveco truck plant, and apparently a former Hawker Hurricane factory.The site was cleared several years ago, and is now an extensive housing estate.
Edit, this website link below shows a nice painting of the Factory/airfield in wartime.
I believe that part of the airfield is still visible on the southern side of the M4.
http://www.geoffbeckett.com/website%20pages_files/Page745.htm