New of the World and the Milly Dowler murder

Are you being sarcastic or genuinely making a point that a socialist government might make decisions that are socialist in nature?

In truth a bit of both.

I’m just really tired of ‘party politics’; surely we should judge all Prime Ministers and governments by the decisions they make rather than by their party, their political leanings or even where they went to school?

I come from a generation that only really knew Conservative governments while I grew-up into politics. While I was at university (an ex-polytechnic) all the students politics blamed the Conservatives for all their woes and then a few years later the Labour government introduced tuition-fees; I wonder what the students said about that?

You say Blair and Brown are ‘socialists’; so do you think that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were ‘socialist’ politically? If you do would your view be the same if a conservative government had made the same decision? Somehow I doubt it.

So what good does all this name-calling do? Labour, Conservative (TORY! :rolleyes:), right-wing, left-wing, working-class, upper-class, public school…

…honestly it’s pathetic isn’t it?

Arthur – if someone makes a totally prejudiced unsubstantiated criticism it is worthy of reference in the context of the debate.

You then said “So for your benefit…..” . So I responded by saying that it was of no interest to me personally.

Class prejudice is outdated and of little relevance, except to those who still live in the past.

Such a naive and immature view!

Fortuntely I show no favour over any parties at all and practically no interest in politics at all.

I think goverment should be disbanded and that a centralised goverment should run the country to the best of its abilities as a paid job like the rest of us.

decision makers should be the public where by they could make suggestions and be allowed a vote on things that they would like to change.

Politics is not for me

Too much politics in politics

Each and every party is as bad as the other.

Lets go change what they just did.

Pointless and so the circle begins again.

Cameron has followed Labour’s lead and actually done the right thing. It took a bit of prompting though. If Labour hadn’t taken the lead, the Tories would tried to bury this then make an embarrassing U-turn a few weeks later. That appears to be what they’re good at.

Labour were not trying to gain a few political points then!!!

Ah, that’s OK then 😀

No need to review any prejudices, phew!

Moggy

Cameron has followed Labour’s lead and actually done the right thing. It took a bit of prompting though. If Labour hadn’t taken the lead, the Tories would tried to bury this then make an embarrassing U-turn a few weeks later. That appears to be what they’re good at.

That’s because his (and his Chancellor’s) class is determining the government’s decisions.

Such as his decision to put the conservative MPs vote behind the motion for News Corporation to withdraw its bid for BSkyB?

After all, if he was a lower-class, comprehensive school oik as we must assume you see the labour MPs to be, he wouldn’t have made that decision would he?

Ah! Hang on a moment – It’s a Labour party proposed motion :confused:

Moggy

Are you being sarcastic or genuinely making a point that a socialist government might make decisions that are socialist in nature? I’m not sure.

If the Tories among you want to doff your caps to your betters then that’s your affair 🙂

Anyway – apologies for the thread drift but Moggie’s comments about Gordon Brown needed addressing.

That’s because his (and his Chancellor’s) class is determining the government’s decisions.

So when we have a nice ‘working-class’ (whatever that is?) Prime Minister like Gordon Brown or Tony Blair their ‘class’ doesn’t determine the government’s decisions? :rolleyes:

“Four legs good, two legs bad!” 😀

That’s because his (and his Chancellor’s) class is determining the government’sdecisions.

Arthur – I regret to say that your prejudiced view of Cameron is of no interest to me whatsoever. If we were, objectively, debating his abilities to do his job, that might be a different matter.

And yet you brought it up in a quote – odd way of showing “no interest”

I’m more than happy to debate Cameron’s failings as Prime Minister as they are vast and wide-ranging – perhaps another thread.

Arthur – I regret to say that your prejudiced view of Cameron is of no interest to me whatsoever. If we were, objectively, debating his abilities to do his job, that might be a different matter.

:D:D

Cameron is still an arrogant, upperclass, public school twit…

Ah, politics! So much simpler when you can base your decisions on somebody’s class! :rolleyes:

The two phrases are, as far as I know, accurate when it comes to describing Cameron. The fact that I changed one for the other is irrelevant.

So for your benefit I think that “Flashman” Cameron is still an arrogant, upperclass, public school twit. I have seen very little, if any, evidence to the contrary.

Interesting that there is a lot of righteous indignation when it comes to the way NI came by lots of information. That indignation was missing when the Telegraph “acquired” information about MPs expenses by, in some cases, allegedly a less than legal manner. The argument of course being that it was in the public interest. The information is either acquired legally or it isn’t.

Arthur – as you are well aware no one can prove terms of abuse to be correct or not. How interesting that you have replaced the words “public-school”, which you originally used, with “upper-class”. The twe phrases obviously being synonymous in your book. I think you have neatly confirmed my point. I rest my case!:p:)

He was told not to employ him in the first place. He didn’t find out about Coulson after he was employed, he knew before – and employed him anyway. That is where the error of judgement was. Correcting that decision by firing him when he “found out” was a bit late.

SH, show me evidence that Cameron isn’t an arrogant, upper class twit and I’ll retract that statement. 🙂

“being the arrogant, public schol twit that he is, ….” I hope you are not letting your prejudices get the better of you, Arthur!;)

CD – my own thoughts exactly. Tendering yopur resignation and having it refused is utter hypocrisy. If you feel the necessity to resign, you resign. If you don’t, why tender it in the first place?

It is simply a charade to enable confidence in an employee tom be shown. Well It doesn’t wash with most of us, I’m sure. If that woman had a scintilla of honour she would have gone long ago.

Some stunning hypocrisy from our disastrous ex-Prime Minister today. Something along the lines of “They did it to me, but what about all the little people?” (Pause here for crocodile tears)

That man knows no shame, why doesn’t he just crawl back under a rock somewhere?

Moggy

Unlike our current disastrous Prime Minister who seems to have crawled under his own rock. Where is he? Cameron made an stupendous error of judgement by employing Coulson and he isn’t even man enough to stand up and answer his critics. Many advised him against employing Andy Coulson but, being the arrogant, public school twit that he is, he went ahead anyway. Well that decision has come back to bite him again and again, hopefully this time he’ll do something about it. Resign ideally.:mad:

That issue aside, the bigger NI scandal goes across political boundaries. Politicians and others ran scared of what NI would do if they didn’t get their way. Those that have put their heads above the parapet in the past generally paid with their careers.
Fortunately there are rather more scrupulous journalists that broke the story in the first place.

Resignation allegedly offered and refused.

Does somebody want to explain that one to me? :confused:

Rebekah Brooks thinks she should resign even though she is protesting her ignorance and innocence; fair enough. News International will not ‘accept’ her resignation so Rebekah Brooks keeps her job.

So much for integrity! After all, News International can’t force her to work for them can they? :rolleyes: