No one cares what it’s indoctrinated as. It’s a military vessel fighting inside a war zone. That makes it a legitimate, high-value target. It is highly improbable that the US leadership will initiate MAD over the loss of a warship in conventional combat.
China cannot get enough nukes through for the destruction of the US, because a lot of them will be shot down. The reverse is not true. There is a large gap between the countries in ABM tech.
Unless final engine, final production run and weapons fit is known, how can you or anyone, even HAL possibly have ANY idea on price?
The labour in India is cheaper than what any European country can ever manage. So while the exact price is not known it is safe to assume that it will be much lesser than a similarly speced Western fighter.
The Gripen NG for example will be much more expensive compared to the C/D than the Tejas MK2 is compared to the MK1. So Tejas will always have a price advantage. If you are willing to pay extra for SAAB’s pedigree and proven track-record and Gripens maturity as a fighter over the Tejas is an entirely different matter altogether.
Maybe in your wet dreams LOL.
After a US carrier group gets sunk in some idiotic shootout, the US is going to teleport B-52s to China and just bomb the ports? 😀 Fantastic story.
Each U.S Carrier is in-effect a city on the move. I think its indoctrinated that the sinking of carrier will be taken as an attack on American soil.
IMHO the Chinese are smart enough not to try that.
The Tejas will have most of what Gripen has and at a cheaper price than what the Swedes could ever offer it.
But if I am looking for fighters and I have the money for the Gripen, I will always go for it over the Tejas.
Calm down dear, its only a forum, no oneis accusing you of anything!
I have no idea on which BVR is finally being integrated, but as first 50 batch is with Chinese radar I am assuming SD-10.
If you are looking to export a plane, people will want to know what engine it has. This leads me back perfectky to the orginal point I made about this thread. With so much uncertainty surrounding this project, it is still to early to start talking about it being next F-16 on export market.
We are not looking to export anything now. And by the time we do it will have several options.
Tejas has the potential to be the next F 16 but I have my serious doubts that it will be marketed well and HAL will need to increase its production capacity to make more than what the IAF needs.
As a replacement for a MiG-21/F-7/F-5 the Tejas is too expensive. By that even used F-16s/MiG-29s are more capable options.
I doubt the used F 16s /MIG 29s will be more capable than the Tejas. May be they will be cheaper. Then again their airframe will be old and as such. 😉
For me Tejas already has real competitors in the Gripen and JF 17. One will cater to the F 16 market while the other to the F7/F6 market. Like Ankush said if India won’t aggressively market the Tejas it will not be an export success.
It has no Indian engine and by that it is restricted to US permission for every export similar the JF-17 with the Russian engine.
The Gripen uses an American engine. And I doubt India unlike China will ever sell its fighters to ‘rogue’ states. 😉 and hence issues with U.S are unlikely.
The M-88 is more than OK for Tejas. The Kaveri is no longer a serious option.
Just outdated in the meanwhile.
The M 88 in its current form do not have the level of thrust IAF demands. The Kaveri with a French core may be different.
Purpose of the thread is not to discuss JF-17
As many never tire of pointing out, GE engine is for MK1. For MK2 (The version I assume they want to export) no engine as of yet.
SD-10 is being looked at as is MICA.
Point being that these will be isues that need to be looked at of LCA is to become an export success no?
It is you who dragged JF 17 into the thread in an earlier post not me.
SD 10 and MICA being looked at you do not know yet right ?
The current Tejas program has an engine. the future one will have an engine, As it is not flying yet, the lack of an engine is a non issue.
HAL will need to significantly upgrade its facilities to even consider exporting the Tejas.
All that claims do not bolster India’s chance to break into the world fast jet market with the LCA.
No it does not. But it just shows up that he is talking out of his backside.
Saying the LCA does not have an engine is absolute fallacy.
Many of the above said market will be more than happy with the LCA MK1.
1) In June JF-17 will be in frontline operational service with a relatively large,we equipped air force
2) Has a fully integrated and functioning engine
3) Wespons systems and integration practically completed. Choice of Euro/Chinese systems
4) Operational doctrine being developed
5) Price is known
6) China/Pak already in talks with potential customers
I am not saying LCA can never reach thi stage, but it is someway off compared to JF-17. I am also certain JF-17 will be a lower cost option.
Rimmer do not attempt to deliberatley derail threads.
As of now the LCA has an engine its the GE F 404 IN.
India could get a half cooked LCA into service but for the strignant demands of its airforce and the situation being not as desperate as with the PAF.
What Radar and BVR combo is the JF 17 having. has BVR weapons been tested ?
And still me surprises, how quickly Hindus have stuck to project PAK FA: “On a parity basis”. But Indian in PAK FA – 0.0 %. Everything to what they have condescended are a financing of the project.
Indians are contributing with respect to composits.
May be becausr Russian AC do not have to suffer the rigours of catapult launches that the western AC must.
Quadbike
I dont think weapons suppliers operate like that. They would soon run out of customers if they did. Case in point Russia still manages to sell to Chine and India, and they are often desperate for money.
Remmber, right now, as Swedes are competing in MRCA they are working side by side with PAF officers in Sweden working on EW systems and radars which can be suited to detect IAF aircraft. In theory that should be a big black mark against them.
France is right now installing AIPupgrades to Pakistani Navy subamrines,enabling them to remain under water much longer then any Indian ones, yet they are competing in MRCA.
US is supplying massive amounts of weaponry despite competing in MRCA.
UK, Germany and Italy (both Eurofighter partner nations) are currently supplying avionics,UAVs, Torpedos radars and potentially sumbamrines To Pakistan. Despite competing in MRCA.
None of this will actually stop when they bag the contract.
Unless their strategic interests are trheatened they wont stop supplying arms. India is not in a position to do this. In fact India may in fact hurt itsself by blacklisting countries as this will increase the negoatiating strength of the rest of the suppliers.Add to this 5 out of 7 countries above have troops in Afghanistan which are supplied via Pakistan and then you can start to understand more countries individual strategic positions.
The fact is that Sweden do not have the leverage the other nations have. So if we insist ok we will buy the Gripen now if you will not offer it to PAF in future the chances are that they will go for it.
The only jet in the MRCA that the PAF can get or afford is an inferior version of the F 16. The LM guys in India for example insist it is superior to the PAF jets all the time.
Actually the MRCA is such a big deal that the GOI can make all other nations bar Americans not sell the fighters to the PAF. Upgrading/buying submarines UAV and other equipment is a totally different matter altogether.
Unfortunatley Quad, its not about what we “Think may happen”. He was wrong when he posted a 6 year old Indian press link and I posted a recent Aviationweek one.
Swedes would be happy selling to both sides, as French and US have been doing for years…
I think if Gripen does with the MRCA with some stake in MCA SAAB will not go anywhere near Pakistan other than the current supply of Erieyes.
In the case of America they really do not need Indian sales and will continue with their policy regardless. The same cannot be said about the Swedes.
As for the French they do not make any fighters which are affordable to the PAF.
You think anything can make a difference in a nuclear age? A city getting nuked 3 times instead of 4?
How do you define “make a difference”?
The hit probability will be higher than that if it is concentrated on high value assets. Pakistan has not yet demonstrated MIRV capability so the chance of successful intercepts are quite high.