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  • in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2340921
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    MMRCA Deal To Rise From 126 to 260

    The IAF plans to buy not 126 but 260 of them, internal sources have revealed. This means that, what has been talked about as a $10-12 billion deal will eventually fetch the winner of the contract close to $25 billion.

    The reason why the IAF is going for such large numbers of combat jets of different classes is because it is preparing itself for a two front full-scale, swift and a hi-intensity war.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2340965
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    India could use its ballistic missiles to disable Chinese airfields in Tibet region as well.

    Yes some people would like to think India vs China on a logistically difficult mountaneous border will be so one sided. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2340969
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    The IN tender will be different and will not be negotiated as part of the MRCA.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341048
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    I think doctrinal changes are needed to take full advantage of such a capability. But the Gripen has a short take off and landing distance than all the other contenders, and the quickest turn around time.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341196
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    Yes that was also mentioned by Tellis on his ‘dogfight article’ wrt to India. The Gripens ability to operate out of roadways and small runways may be of benefit.

    Although India is no pushover like Taiwan. More fighter bases, a Ballistic Missile Defense program and a layered air defense all going to come up in the early 20s.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341222
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    I saw the video Boom I was looking for a full list of changes from Darin II

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341269
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    Quad’s Hot List.

    1. Gripen NG
    2. F 16
    3. Typhoon
    4. Super Hornet
    5. Rafale
    6. MIG

    &

    His wish list

    1. Gripen NG
    2. Rafale
    3. F 16
    4. Super Hornet
    5. Typhoon
    6. MiG

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341323
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    Can’t seem to find many good sources on DARIN III jaguar. Can you post some ?

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341358
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    Sancho78, I don’t get your point. if you know that jaguars and mig-27 are not dependent on external jamming pods why are you hanging your hat on a reasoning build on someone else’s faulty data ?

    Yes that data seems to be rather old and inaccurate. I apologise. It does have internal jammers as you can see from this pic.

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/8781-2/JS210.jpg

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341609
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    Both Jaguar and MiG-27 are hoplessly outdated. ECM and range/payload charcteristics don’t qualify them as strike fighters anymore.

    MKI’s are primarily tasked with air superiority and naval strike with Brahmos.

    M2K’s will be quite decent strikers after their upgrade, but are relatively few in numbers.

    What is totally lacking in the Indian inventory are dedicated ECM/SEAD birds.

    I think it is not necessary to discuss the merits of each platform anymore. We already did this ad nauseum.

    Let us just discuss which capabilities should be highter weighted then others.

    I nominate deep strike and ECM as most useful capabilities.

    With the available informations at hand, this clearly favours 2 aircraft, if we disqualify the F-16 IN for it’s lacking development potential.

    The Upgraded MIG 27s and Jaguars both carry very decent ECM gear. The Jaguars are going to get new engines (increasing payload and performance), the DARIN III Jaguars are going to have the ELTA 2032 MMR, Litening Pod, Upgraded cockpit with two large MFDs, ASRAAM/Python 5 on overwing pylons for self protection. Now that is one potent strike aircraft.

    The DARIN-3 cockpit for the Jaguar IS, shown at the Aero India 2009 expo, features the same HUD as that on the Tejas LCA, along with three large MFD-55 AMLCDs supplied by THALES-Samtel Display Systems, and HOTAS controls, all utilising a MIL-STD-1553B digital databus. It remains to be seen if these upgraded Jaguars (about 120 in all to be upgraded in batches of 61 and 59 and remain in service till 2022) will also be equipped with the fly-by-wire flight control system, which was tested out by BAE Systems way back in the mid-Eighties on the Jaguar. The core avionics computer for both the to-be-upgraded Jaguar IS and MiG-27Ms will be the open systems architecture mission computer (OSAMC), originally developed by DARE and now being series-produced by an India-US joint venture involving HAL, Edge Tech India and US-based Edgewood Ventures LLC. A version of the OSAMC is presently on board the Su-30MKI and upgraded MiG-27UPG-1s and Jaguar IM maritime strike aircraft (upgraded earlier to the DARIN-2 standard). For all-weather standoff attacks using precision-guided munitions, both the upgraded Jaguar IS and MiG-27UPG-2s will be equipped with RAFAEL Litening-3 laser designation pods as well as ELTA’s EL/L-8212 jamming pods.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebEiMYaGADc

    MKI is a multirole fighter and can use most A2G munitions in the IAF arsenal, I think the Air Launched Brahmos will have a land attack varaint as well. Even without it it is still a a potent striker. The MKI can use Russian ARMs like the KH 31 for SEAD.

    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5283/5302132867_b671646441_b.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Air Force- News & D iscussion #15 #2341736
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    I think it can be partly explained by the wide variety of aircraft the IAF uses varying from advanced FBW fighters like the MKI, Mirage, Tejas and in future the MRCA and also some older designs like Mig 21, 27, Jaguar etc. The IJT/Kiran etc uses normal Hydraulic FCS while the AJT Hawk uses FBW as in modern fighters.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341784
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    If that were true Rafale would be selling by their hundreds.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341906
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    That`s such transparent crap. ANY MMRCA candidate can conceivably use just about any munition (at least of the classes shown there), though their hardpoints and payload capacity determines how much of what munition they can carry with what other stores, etc. So to show off munitions that `could` be integrated is a joke. If India wants to buy any of those missiles/bombs, there`s no reason it can`t integrate them into it`s choice of MMRCA (certainly given the ToT aspect). If they are ALREADY integrated, yeah, that saves money and time… Otherwise, it`s meaningless, since potential integration isn`t a real differentiator… Possibly barring MiG-35, but I doubt even MiG is INCAPABLE of integrating any (Western) munition. Promos like this just look extra weak.

    The New MIGs are built around MIL STD 1553 Bus (29K, Indian 29 UPG and MIG 35) so that may not be a problem.

    in reply to: Someone Besides Hot Dogs's F-35 Cyber News Thread #5 #2341974
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    Yep

    House Votes Against F136 JSF Alternate Engine

    Amid a heated debate about federal deficits, national security and domestic employment, the U.S. House of Representatives voted against continuing the General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136 alternate engine for the Joint Strike Fighter midday Feb. 16.

    The move is a reversal of sorts*—a similar vote in mid-2010 indicated broad support among lawmakers for the F136. But with newly empowered tea party lawmakers and other budget hawks having made the House more fiscally conservative since then, the 233-199 vote showed newfound resistance for a congressional prerogative opposed by the White House and Pentagon leadership.

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion 7 #2341989
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    @Rayrubik,
    options proposed wrt ASMs include the NSM and Rbs-15. The Penguin Mk3 and Harpoon has both been mentioned in conjunction with the Typhoon as well, but the NSM and Rbs-15 appear to be more likely options, though the latter only of the Norwegians would sell them.

    Wrt ARMs there are at least 3 contenders which don’t offer any dedicated ARM and these are the three ECDs. The Rafale is the only one currently capable to perform SEAD/DEAD using the AASM in combination with its Spectra. While the Gripen NGs EWS-39-3 and Typhoons DASS should offer sufficient capability there is currently no weapon in sight which would be adequate to fill the role, at least no weapon with sufficient range. HARM or AARGM could be integrated, but there are no plans to do so right now. I’ve read that the IAF didn’t requested ARMs anyway? Dunno whether that’s true or not.

    Storm Shadow itself is not available in an anti-ship version and I’m not aware of any plans to develop an ASM version out of it, the same is true for the KEPD-350. When these weapons will be integrated remains yet to be seen it was planned for 2014, but might happen as late as 2017. We’ll see, but the lack of integrated AG weapons is currently one of the greatest drawbacks of the Typhoon, next to its price and the fact that the AESA is still under development.

    Saw this on Bharat Rakshak ? Future Weapons for Typhoon ?

    http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3563/weaponfoldout.jpg Mod Edit: This image is too large for this forum. Please use the link instead.

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