Lee,.
The guy you need to talk to is Alan Beattie Tel 01751 473180
He is one of the prime movers in all YHPG preservations, and he is one of the good guys.
You owe yourself the pleasure of contacting him, believe me.
Fairey Aviation Archive
Ian Huntley rescued what he could.
The RAF Museum is reported to have had most of it, and some (too little) did find its way to Westland.
I have inherited Fred’s task and am currently trying to sort out the Westland archive to make it more accessable.
When complete I will let it be known on this forum.
Westland airfield
I can almost certainly help you, make contact please.
I suppose if I am honest I didn’t even think about any other forum. I do know that it was a popular quote in the flight safety world in the Forties. so I suppose you could put an Historic label on it
Judwin
Pete
Edited to add
“In my searches, two important logbooks (to me) have gone missing; those of: Harald Penrose and Ron Gellatly.”
Is this him? http://discovery.nationalarchives.go…ils/r/C3003021 Description: Rank and Name: F/Lt. B.R. Galletly, Remarks: Helicopter pilot.
Last edited by snailer; 20th November 2016 at 21:10.
Sounds interesting, the guy looking for is squadron leader WR Gellatly, he was lead test pilot on the Rotodyne. He was a New Zealander and served in the RAF in North Africa flying Boston’s and road. He subsequently went to Beaulieu the early helicopter work, qualified asa test pilot by the ETPS, he led the Rotodyne and subsequently became chief test pilot at Westland.
It could be the same man, although I suspect what you have are his RAF wartime records civilian test aircrew period all keep logbooksfor MoD
I will send you a contact message, when I fathom it out.
Dave
Westland was founded in 1915 as part of the war effort by the management of Petters Oil engines. Indeed, it was originally known as ‘the Westland Aircraft Works of Petter’s’
Petters were the family company and the twin brothers; Ernest and Percival controlled the company.
Teddy Petter was the son of ‘Sir Ernest’
In order to get an insight into young Teddy Petter, one needs to read Harald Penrose’s autobiography ‘Adventure With Fate’
Teddy himself was a very complex character, not an easy man to work with, who rarely gave praise, an odd mixture of assertiveness and aloof reserve.
Westland designer Arthur Davenport made a significant input to a lot of Petters work and thinking, Harald Penrose was a stabilising influence, who Petter trusted. Please be aware that none of these comments are intended to downgrade Petters ability.
Essential reading: Adventure With Fate and from Lysander to Lightning.
I would also like to reaffirm the of the principal object of this thread is to try to gather some information on the Folland years. But please don’t stop the discussion.
I think we are all agreed that Teddy Petter ranks as one of the greats, and deserves his place in history.
dave G
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Dave g
Get in touch. I worked on it
John Fay and Slim Sear Still with us and of course several of the Rotodyne and Westminster design and development team, who believe it or not might have done a little towards these projects.
I have been talking to him recently: ( [email]crikeymk1@gmail.com[/email] )
Dave G
A fine man, in the mould of the early pioneers at a time dominated by Academics, Program Managers and Geeks.
I first met him at the Hostfra University Gyroplane conference, where he received an Honorary Doctorate.
With his distinctive white hair and beard, dressed in the bright flowery robes that could only be truly American. He looked like ‘Gandalf’, receiving as he was, homage from we Hobbits.
As regards UK honours; I think he was saddened rather than concerned, I’m sure he felt:
Those who care don’t matter and those who matter don’t care. The eventual length of this thread will say it all.
I enjoyed a morning with him six months ago and was proud to call him a friend.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCARCE-ORI…item53f4b0aaa6
Most interesting, The item up for sale is not a ‘Sales’ Brochure so much as a major company statement produced in-house after the end of WW1.
I don’t know how many copies, but I suspect no more than twenty.
Every director had one and a select few others.
There is one in the Westland Archive (Arthur Davenport’s copy) which has also been digitised, and I have seen Arthur Bruce’s copy which somehow went missing.
That had a couple of interesting pencilled notes quoting the price of each aircraft to the nearest penny. the most expensive was the Vimy at less than £4,500. (Five copies of the book at the eBay asking price!)
I saw the item when it came up for the original broadcast.
In 1952 I and a pal were at Jurby at the OCTU prior to starting aircrew training, our Flight Commander was Ginger Lacey.
Aircrew trainees on OCTU count for very little and on one week-end, one of our chores was ammending the bosses APs in his office,
As we laboured away, one of us spotted his logbooks on the shelf.
It was more than any red-blooded anorak could resist.
There were several entries about kills and landing, and the 1st book fell open at the page seen on TV, Boredom or any resentment, went straight out of the window that day!
I don’t know the odd s against a double sighting like that are ;
“But I love it when a plan comes together”!
The prospect of preserving hard copies of any logbook deemed interesting still presents a prohibitively expensive and labour intensive task.
Perhaps the major museums (Worldwide) need to compile a wish list, past, present and maybe maintained for the future.
There then remains the question of what to do about the massive number of logbooks that record exemplary careers. Maybe they could be retained in pdf form. Companies do it all the time, its expensive, but can be done by competent enthusiasts (there are more of them about than you might think).
There is a question mark to the durability of digital records, which an IT ‘Geek’ has to answer.
Perhaps a label needs to be created, to be stuck into all logbooks, explaining their value as historical records, and the possibility that they may have a financial value.
If they were only elevated to the same level as medals, something would have been achieved.
Kick that one around chaps, if it only saves one gem, or persuades one possessive owner hoarder to provide affordable access, it will be worth it.