Frankly I’m surprised at your scepticism given that you must be aware that Indonesia is the single largest export market Russia is anticipating for PAK FA.

And on that note — Russia and reading tea leaves — I’m reminded of the words of a superb (American) reader of tea leaves:

— Jack London, 1909

what?!? You are going to have to provide me with some links, because that sounds extremely unlikely. India is obviously going to be the largest export market foreseeable. Based on Su-30 purchases, there are quite a few candidates ahead of Indonesia as well, in terms of PAK-FA. Pretty sure they expect a dozen airframes at best before 2040 or so.

Not sure what Japan-Russia 1905 have to do with anything as well.

Why did the Russian Navy exclude the RBU-6000 from the Stereguschy and Admiral Gorshkov class?:confused:

Do they believe that with Klub ASROC missiles in UKSK they won’t be needing it?

Or is it a matter of deck space(it occupies the same deck footprint as an 8-cell UKSK VLS)?

20380 has Paket-NK, apparently has an anti-torpedo function as well. No space for RBU as well.
Don’t know about 22350, we need to wait to see Gorhkov’s weapons config, but I suspect a similar solution to 20380, maybe bigger torp tubes, probably not though.

11356Ms will have RBU for sure though. Hopefully with the guided projectiles.

I can just see TR1 circa 1985: “China? China will never amount to anything!” Or perhaps 1885: “The Americans? They can’t even stop fighting each other! Don’t make me laugh!”

Some folks can read the tea leaves; others … well, it’s usually that they just don’t want to.

In the last decade Indonesia has gone from #28 to #18 in the global GDP rankings. By 2020 you can expect them to be jostling with Turkey for that coveted #10 spot and in the long-run a place in the top ten – likely right alongside Russia – is all but assured.

Never though that about China, but ok. If Indonesia operates this plane in such vast numbers sometime in the next 15-20 years, you can remind me, and I will be happy to admit I was wrong.

Not as much as stupid questions.

Yes indeed, like those brand new Su-30MK2’s they just got. :rolleyes:

And Gepards, and Bastions, and matryshkas of Putin and Medvedev, etc etc.

Thanks Twin. Fugly radar mast aside, stately lines.

I like how they are continuing with RBU too, system is critical for sub defense IMO.

Always loved the look of the Kub missiles, nice to see it continuing with the Akash.