A-190E tested on Teg in December.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aE-Rbdeu5Lw

You’re a bit obsessed with the Typhoon aren’t you. :rolleyes:

Just as you are obsessed with F-35, right?

I’ve laid out my thoughts, I have nothing more to add. Grow up.

Or stay in this fantasy that the F-35s LO is not a huge advantage over current fighters…and how that applies to the context of this thread. Whatever.

Dear lord you are full of it.

R1, it’s not VLO. It’s LO. Certainly compared to the F22 and B2.

Yes, and a hell of a lot more LO than the Typhoon. That is the main point I was making, as it is an ability that gives a huge capability in A2A. An ability that is very relevant to the subject, that is engaging the future stealth birds. Unlike the Typhoon, the F-35 would not face aircraft that can pick it up and engage it at ranges where its own set would be useless.

So given that yes, it’s bull. Besides which passive radar LO and VLO are going to be negated by advances in opposing technologies, to what extent by the time the F35 reaches service is the unknown.

WOW! Talk about conjecture! Right, lets base argument not on grounded reality, but the possibility of future technologies that will erode RCS reduction, and within such a short timeframe (F-35s service entry this decade). Nevermind that the F-35s RCS will STILL be a huge advantage against todays, and legacy, anti-aircraft systems and fighters. But please, tell me what advances are likely to make themselves known on the PAK-FA and J-20, that will render the RCS reduction SO useless as to make it a nonfactor when comparing their performance relative to F-35 or the TYphoon?

As your statements rely on the F35 living up to it’s marketing, see my previous post for the likelyhood of that, i’m quite comfortable with my conjecture as to the future.

Uh no, I said nothing about the F-35s marketing claims, you are the one bringing in the stupid 800km DAS claims as if my argument rested on that. How is the argument that the F-35s much superior RCS, and as it currently appears superior sensor fit, in both terms of radar and electro-optics (that is after all the likely situation when the F-35 does enter squadron service) marketing claims? You spew conjecture on how limited the F-35 will be in the future, while the Typhoon will make up its deficiencies. Whatever.

The fact is the Typhoon, your choice of comparison btw not mine,
Uhhh, no. Typhoon was brought up in this thread as a counter to the perceived inferiority of the F-35 in relation to its future competitors. Hence, my replies.

has superior kinetic performance which is widely regarded as rather a useful attribute for air to air combat. You dismissed the Typhoon and sang the praises of the F35 whilst offering no factual evidence for your claims.

Nonsense. I clearly pointed out the Typhoons superiority to the F-35 in a number of kinetic parameters. Show where I dismissed the TYphoon with unreasonable claims. Or for that matter, where I sing the F-35s praises beyond what I see is its chief advantage over the TYphoon, RCS, in this thread’s context.

I agree both platforms have advantages and disadvantages, the Typhoon as demonstrated has the advantage in the air to air arena and the F35 in the 2025 timeframe will probably make a decent bombtruck striker

And once again you completely discredit any point you made with this conjectural, un-factual, fanboy nonsense.
Here, while we are at it, lets make another comment: In the Japan context, the TYphoon will be rendered obsolete by neighboring, superior, 5th gen platforms, while the F35 will remain usefull in both a2a and a2g due to its RCS reduction and multirole-optimized sensors.

Yes, its VLO is surely a bull**** ability.:rolleyes:

Please list throwaway statements that I made. You are the one making stupid claims like “its totaly laughable to talk about F-35 in the a2a scenario compared to typhoon!”. Durrrr, no, it isn’t. They have their respective advantages and weaknesses when compared to each other, AND THE QUESTION POSED BY THIS THREAD: their performance relative to what we expect PAK-FA and J-20 will offer.

You are brave to talk about evidence, with all your conjecture about the F-35s future.

I am not arguing anything, unlike you I don’t feel personally insulted when an aircraft is mentioned. I have stated what I feel, you want to keep beating your chest to the Typhoon, be my guest.

Speaking of laughable, minimizing the advantage VLO when countering the PAK-FA or J-20. LOL!
It will be far more relevant to combating those planes, than any advantage the Typhoon has in performance (something it will more than likely be inferior in when compared to the new two engine stealth birds anyways).

Speaking of upgrades, say all you want, come back when the Typhoon is in service with something other than a mechanical radar, not to even speak of DAS.

The Rafale does not have a decent IRST? :confused:

I actually have a question about Rafale thrust, the UAE supposedly was not impressed, but just doing calculations on empty, loaded, maximum thrust to weight ratios, the results are pretty good at the very least. What did the UAE want, or do the engines have some specific issues?

Not sure what Brimstone has to do AASM, I think Eagle1 brought it up because of India’s desire for a nuclear stand off weapon on a number of planes (though I think they are going the Sukhoi route for that, and have Brahmos in any case).

Defending the Rafale, what have I come to!

“This early on.” That’s funny. Lets look at facts.

First flight Typhoon prototype: 1994
IOC: 2005

Elapsed time: 11 years

First flight JSF prototype: 2000
IOC: …

Elapsed time to date: 12 years

Plus much of the delays on the Typhoon programme were due to politics rather that technical or engineering issues.

Alright, let’s play this game.

First flight of EAP: 1986.
First operational squadrons of Typhoon: 2006?

wow, 20 years, amazing rates.

I know what I’d rather have if I was Japan, and that’s not an aircraft (The Typhoon) that will likely be outmatched in everything from sensors, flight performance, and RCS, when the PAK-FA and J-20 enter service. F-35 at least offers VLO and a much more interesting sensor suit.

I can see I stepped on some toes though.