If I anyone was lucky enough to takeoff in the 3 engine plane, which is doubtful because of the weight distribution. Once in the air I don’t know if the plane would be able to be trimmed enough, even if the power would be balanced on each side. I seriously doubt if the plane would get off the ground safely,
On my best day I wouldn’t volunteer to fly that aircraft.
Gary,
I was offered and accepted a ride in the EAA “Aluminum Overcast” B17 when they were in my area (Ft Lauderdale, FL) last year, and selling rides. They were enroute to Kitty Hawk, NC for the Wright Bros celebration
Trumper
I have several wartime pics on the B17 thread, that Andy-in-bed put on that thread. You are welcome to put them on this thread
Bomberboy,
I had 50 sorties fromTunis and Foggia, from July ’43 to ‘Feb ’44.
I never saw the C-1 contraption. I still don’t believe I would have used it because of the close proximity to another plane. Better tired then dead.
Hi Moggy & Trumper,
I just saw your posts. Last school year another man ( he was a waist gunner and was shot down and spent time as a POW)and myself spoke in 11 high schools in our county. The title of our presentation was THE AIR WAR IN EUROPE, we gave them some statistics, told a few stories followed by questions and answers. It went over quite well, the mentors enjoyed it more then the students.
Statistics– 8th and 15th Air Force–B17 & B24 heavies–94,000 KIA, missing, POWs, wounded
15th A.F.—less then 1 1/2 years, of 4951 heavies 2380 were shot down
B17—12,731 were built 4,750 with 10 man crews were lost
All types of U.S aircraft in Europe—-18,369 were lost
More heavies were lost to flak then to enemy fighters
Temperatures at 25,000 feet was -50 to -60F
15th 8th
Total air crews 19,176 21,000
% killed 14.09 8.4
In 1942-43 survival rate made by 8th AF was 35% for unescorted missions
1942-43 8th AF flew a tour of 25 missions for unescorted missions
12-15th AF flew a tour of 50 missions for unescorted missions
Note— Once P51 Mustangs came to the theatres the loss to enemy fighters dropped dramatically
Another good site in U.S. is armyairforces.com
Canadair;
There is a club here in S.Florida called “Condors”, they fly radio controlled planes, war birds and others, one man even flys a helicopter, and I’ve even seen a jet fly. I went to see them fly primarily because of a B17. It’s 1/9th scale. it has retractable landing gear, it can have engines leave a smoke trail and other goodies. The owner told me that it cost $10,000 to build, and it took him 3 years to complete. This past July it was donated to the Smithsonian Museum to be displayed. He said that his next project is to build a B24.
Italian
No, send me your e-mail address, I will send you a writeup of my recent trip to Italy as a guest of Reggio Emilia
RER,
I never passeed through Dow, I flew the southern route to N.Africa
The sheepskin jacket in the picture is just for effect. Aside from flak, the next worst thing about combat missions was the cold,
Because I needed freedom of movement, I couldn;t wear the bulky jacket that you see. I wore a thin flying jacket over coveralls,a mae west, and parachute harness. Electric flying suits came in until after I left, half the the time they did;t work. We had tempertures of -50 to -60F. Over a target with adrenaline flowing, I had sweat on my brow, condensation from my oxygen mask dripping to my chest, about an inch of ice, and from my harness at the top of my thighs, no feeling in my legs. I operated the rudders from my head since I had no feeling in my legs. I’ve often wondered if I had to bailout , would I be able to stand and get to the bombay.
Andy
The name of the plane is “Never Satisfied”. The swastikas denotes the # of enemy planes shot down, the bombs indicate the # of missions the plane flew.
I flew several sorties in this plane.
Other then patches and engine changes this plane had 104 missions flown, at wars end it was scrapped overseas.
Happy New Year to all
Happy New Year to all my new friends
Willy,
Unless i misunderstand you, these pics are off “Documents” on my computer. I can only transfer the pics to a persons e-mail. Andy was kind enough to send me his, hence the pics.
Y’all check the B17 thread, I’m trying to get some wartime pictures on the website, with the help of Andy in beds. I’ve a lot of hours in the best plane ever built, because
it brought my butt back from the big conflict.
B17 man,
Even if we had the C 1 yoke, I wouldn’t trust it, or use it. I recall when tucking the plane in real tight, it was constant throttle jockeying, especially when under fighter attack. In the last stage of the air war there was very little fighter oppostion, only flak, so I really don’t see where it would be useful
I don’t understand how it works. How can the autopilot run in sync with the other or lead plane?